G-Canon Anakin Skywalker and G-Canon Obi-Wan Kenobi versus G-Canon Yoda

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
...and, as Jedi version Anakin and Obi-Wan are Jedi too and hold the same principles as the ones you stated Yoda has, no one would be the first to attack.

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As always, you miss the point. Firstly, I was speaking of offensive use of the force, not overall offense. Secondly, I realise that the same apply to the Jedi duo, and the point that you missed was that I was arguing against those who were claiming that Yoda would be able to dispose of one of them with the force to separate the duo like Dooku had.

Originally posted by Captain REX
I like the whole skippage of Gideon's post to nitpick. Very nice.

Do you even know what nitpicking is? Everything I was arguing was highly relevant to the topic at and, so there was hardly any nitpicking going on.

And Gideon's post is now officially un-skipped.

But I still don't see how it's relevant.

Well then I can only assume that you're very, very blind, Rex.

1. I listed teamwork as one of the duo's strength for this battle.

^Relevant to the topic, given the topic's essentially asking which team is strong enough to win (I phrase it oddly to include the word "strong" so that you can easily see the relevant link).

2. You attempted to undermine what I was saying by bringing up how their teamwork didn't prove so effective against Dooku (who is logically inferior to Yoda).

Relevant to the topic, given you're attempting to undermine my direct stance on the topic.

3. I successfully prove your point to be worthless, by pointing out that Dooku has attributes that make him extra effective against a cohesive force -- attributes that Yoda doesn't share, despite his logical superiority.

Relevant to the topic, given that I prove how despite your attempt at undermining my position, my point still remains very valid in supporting my direct stance to the thread.

My advice? Spend less time moderating, and more time at school.

Hadn't Yoda use the force againt that 2 red guards from palpatine? Or agaisnt the emperor himself? And what about windu, using force crush on grievous? And obi1, using force push on grievous? Or obi1 and anakin using force push on each other?

So, jedi indeed use his force powers to affect his opponents so if yoda had to, he could use the force to get some advantage over anakin or obi1.

Hadn't Yoda use the force againt that 2 red guards from palpatine?

If you actually knew how to read properly, I actually recognised that Jedi are shown to use the force at times, but not in a deadly manner. Yoda knocked the guards unconscious in a very subtle manner, hardly a deadly usage of force power.

Or agaisnt the emperor himself?

Force push. Not a deadly usage of the force.

And what about windu, using force crush on grievous?

C-Canon.

And obi1, using force push on grievous?

I warned you Kamhal! Now, the gloves come off. His name is OBI-WAN. HE IS NOT A DROID, SO DON'T ASSIGN NUMBERS TO HIS NAME.

How would you like it, K4mha1?

Now, as to your point, it was hardly a lethal usage of the force, given Grievous' mechanical construct. Try again.

Or obi1 and anakin using force push on each other?

Again, force push. Not exactly a lethal usage of the force.

So, jedi indeed use his force powers to affect his opponents so if yoda had to, he could use the force to get some advantage over anakin or obi1.

Perhaps, but what you need to realise is that I was arguing against those saying that Yoda would use his force powers alone to win this, or that he'd be able to permanently disable Obi-Wan from the fight. He might be able to gain some kind of advantage, but that's speculation. Nobody has even supported Yoda's supposed large superiority over the two in force prowess, and given that Jedi would logically excel with the force defensively rather than offensively (given that's how they're trained to use the force), there would likely have to be a large gap indeed.

A force push can be deadly if you push him into an area filled with spikes, or lava etc.

Well the only ability i see that the jedis can use offensively is telekenesis by hurling objects at their opponents.

Just a question, if force crush and force choke is a dark side power why are people like windu and rotj luke using it? Can some one explain to me?

Because crush and choke being a pure darkside power is a lie.

^Kyle knows some dark side powers too.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
AJust a question, if force crush and force choke is a dark side power why are people like windu and rotj luke using it? Can some one explain to me?

I don't remember when Skywalker uses any of those. When does this happen?

Well, Mace using those Dark Side powers can be explained easily: he uses Vaapad.

Originally posted by 0°Mandalore°0
I don't remember when Skywalker uses any of those. When does this happen?

He choked out one of Jabba's guards during when he first arrived.

You STILL write too much.

Originally posted by nmensfinest Well, I'd suggest looking harder. The bulk of my argument is regarding the duo as a cohesive force, and the fact that Yoda's style isn't suited for these kind of matchups against multiple enemies.

Sidious disproves this, dispatching three Jedi Masters with his acrobatic opening assault. If leaping like an idiot wouldn't have helped him, he wouldn't have done it.

Firstly, completely unsupported. Anakin and Obi-Wan are essentially as good as equals when it comes to force prowess as shown when they stalemate, and they both display showings of powers on par with Yoda's own. You have Obi-Wan sensing the mass disturbance in the force caused by Order 66, as well as flinging Grievous into the air as if he were a javelin, and you have Anakin -- after having most of his body burnt away and losing most of his force strength -- destroying a room full of medical equipment without even focusing. I'd say Yoda's definitely more powerful than both as far as force prowess goes, but claiming that he has a much more capable command of the force is a bit of a stretch.

It's generally accepted that ALL Jedi feel mass disturbances in the Force.

Why is Yoda's command of the Force questionable?

Secondly, if you're thinking that Yoda would somehow win this through force ability alone, then you're very much mistaken, given offensive use of the force goes against what Yoda considers it is to be a Jedi. At best, Yoda's shown to redirect offensive force powers back at the aggressor, and use the force in a completely non lethal way (force push).

Okay...so what does that make Kenobi, who "fling[s] Grievous into the air as if he were a javelin"? Not a Jedi? Morally gray?

I think you rather miss how the Force is meant to be shown in the movies. It is a subtle thing. Redirecting lightning and lifting X-Wings out of swamps is something only a true Master could accomplish, if we're going off of the movies alone.

The only time that a 'lethal' use of the Force is ever used with Vader's many chokings and Lightning.

...stuff about using a lightsaber instead of the Force...

The Force is not meant to be used as the ultimate weapon, for either the Jedi or the Sith. As I believe Ush has said, Dooku wasn't joking when he said that the outcome of his conflict with Yoda would be decided with lightsabers.

It's possible, but you in no way supported such a stance. I'd personally say that given Obi-Wan and Anakin's displayed lightsabr ability + factoring in their strength as a team, and you logically have Yoda losing this matchup.

And there you go again with your typical finish to your rant. "I don't agree with you, so you're an idiot." Typical.

Now for your wall-of-text response...

Originally posted by Darth Hord
He choked out one of Jabba's guards during when he first arrived.

Right, forgotten about that, sorry.

Actually, you're not going to get the chance. After I respond to this, you're getting a permanent ban for bashing a moderator. Yes, it is one of our rules.

Yes, I know what nitpicking is, and you do it constantly.

And what was that, a play-by-play of your 'debate' to satisfy your ego? What was irrelevant was your thinking that Yoda is at a disadvantage compared to Dooku. There is absolutely NOTHING to support this, in G-Canon or otherwise.

However, the nature in which you debate makes everything irrelevant. The way you attack people (not just their viewpoints), in my book, takes away your credibility and detracts from your status as a reputable debator. Instead, you a degenerate, spiteful person whom has stayed at KMC well past his time.

Due to your bashing of a moderator and several other members, your account is suspended.

And by the way, I graduated high school with a 4.2 grade point average and intend to major in English once I transfer from prepatory college to a university. Yes, I know, I'm such an idiot, right?

Oh, and this thread is pointless. Closed.