Originally posted by quanchi112If you were capable of comprehending the stuff you read, you could clearly see that version of Ds was losing power from the very beginning. Hence why he needed young Darkseid.
Becuz he drained all his warriors and took their powers and got beaten down by a twelve year old Superman. Thats why.
Originally posted by HazsekswthurmomYes he will pile of shit Darkseid which I said from the beginning. Younger Ds beat down an older one who didnt steal his warriors powers and by using Orion. Not a big feat at all, I understand completely.
If you were capable of comprehending the stuff you read, you could clearly see that version of Ds was losing power from the very beginning. Hence why he needed young Darkseid.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I state facts.
Then face this fact, DS can draw power out of any godly or mystical charged being. He has also destroyed a fifth of a universe and taken shots from Multiversal beings. When has odin? DS has also created alternate realities and pwned Highfather. A being's who power is so great that just a wave of his hand can rip time, space and reality asunder. When has odin ever done something like that?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlOdin doesnt get his ass handed to him by Superman and beg for mercy.
Then face this fact, DS can draw power out of any godly or mystical charged being. He has also destroyed a fifth of a universe and taken shots from Multiversal beings. When has odin? DS has also created alternate realities and pwned Highfather. A being's who power is so great that just a wave of his hand can rip time, space and reality asunder. When has odin ever done something like that?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin doesnt get his ass handed to him by Superman and beg for mercy.
Nah. Odin runs from Mangog and can barely rock a planet with three other skyfathers. Better yet, look at it this way, Scarlet witch got hurt with an arrow from hawkeye, clearly that wouldn't bother Odin. Do you think Odin can beat SW based upon feats? Now in the grand scheme DS feats outshine odin's. Period.
Originally posted by Bransolute
Hmm... I may actually have to re-read it... tomorrow.Are you talking about when he moved Asgard in a weakened form?
No, I saw scans posted a few years ago during a Galactus/Odin debate of Odin and several other Asgardians being KOed for hours by an Asgardian earthquake. It looked like it took place during the 70's.
Orginally posted by quanchi112Becuz he drained all his warriors and took their powers and got beaten down by a twelve year old Superman. Thats why.
1. He didn't drain their powers. He only took back the power he was lending by mind-controlling them and keeping them in the wrong time (that's why you see them returned to their proper times in normal outfits after he takes his power back)
2. That Superman, while younger, had powers comparable to current Superman. He was pumped full of sunlight on Apokolips to give him powers like he has now and Superboy stated that his punch was "Big Blue (as in Superman) class."
3. The old Darkseid was taking a blast of heat vision from that Superman AND attacks from other Legionarres to no noticable effect a few panels before what you mentioned. That version of Supes had to use up ALL of his sunlight reserves in an instant to briefly stand toe-to-toe with the old Darkseid. He was a normal human after using up all that power for that moment.
4. We don't actually see what does the old Darkseid in. Braniac said that he and that version of Clark "fought to a standstill" and that he "asborbed all the energy of Apokolips before he fell." The way I interpretted Brainy's comment, he was being stalemated by Clark and tried to suck in the power of Apokolips for a power-up, but his body was too weak to handle all of it. Braniac 5's statement contradicts the notion that he was actually outpunched by Clark.
5. This was of course after holding off the whole team for several pages. And in the first meeting he froze them all by waving his hand. This says even more when you consider that the old Darkseid was blown to bits by an attack that the younger version shrugged off.
Nvr, the only times Darkseid has beaten Highfather were the sucker shot with Desaad's glove back in Kirby's run and when he had the ALE during Gerry Conway's run (which has since been retconned out of continuity).
Few other things:
1. I forgot to mention Darkseid and Highfather busting The Source Wall together. One could interpret that as high Skyfather level, considering that in JKFW Highfather had to combine power with Area, Zeus, Odin, and Jove/Jupiter to accomplish the same feat again. It was two different writers though so of course they have different opinions about how much force it takes to bust it.
2. There's also the comment that animating that statue from the Source Wall used up more power in an instant that Apokolips uses in a year. I would consider that Odin level power if we take the comment literally.
3. While GDS (and its Post-Crisis sequels) were set in a future timeline, the thing is that the version of DS in that saga was stated to be less powerful than the current version. Even if you don't regard it as canon, I still think it's okay to use it for feats just because that was intended to be a weaker version of Darkseid.
But again, I don't see Darkseid as Odin level on average. He has too many low showings to counter his top ones. I see him more on par with Zeus, Thanos, Neron, Mordru, or SBP.