Days of Future Past was the arc the established Wolverine's mutant power was a healing factor, the specifics of which weren't yet fleshed out so it isn't the best judge of the limits of his healing factor... and thats ignoring the fact that I'm pretty sure his DoFP death was retconned in future visits to the DoFP reality where Wolverine was still up and kicking.
Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
I've read scans, and I've read all his 70's,, and 80's stuff, when he wasn't a poser srug
funny you read his 80's shit and consider that at his best............when the majority of the time was prior to his character development or powers............
also his 70's stuff? he had a single issue in the 70's maybe 3 at best.
you just prove over and over you have no idea what your talking about.
a poser............wtf .
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Days of Future Past was the arc the established Wolverine's mutant power was a healing factor, the specifics of which weren't yet fleshed out so it isn't the best judge of the limits of his healing factor... and thats ignoring the fact that I'm pretty sure his DoFP death was retconned in future visits to the DoFP reality where Wolverine was still up and kicking.
yup
Originally posted by Battlehammer
......reading scanns? come on don't kid your self like that means anything.funny you read his 80's shit and consider that at his best............when the majority of the time was prior to his character development or powers............
also his 70's stuff? he had a single issue in the 70's maybe 3 at best.
you just prove over and over you have no idea what your talking about.
Capt... Giant Size X-men came out in 1975, and was a recurring comic ever since....But yeah, I never said that was his peak, I just said that's when he was actually interesting and relevent. I know what I'm talking about, I never said anything against Wolverine's powers except that they fail nowadays, because every writer who grew up reading him wants to out do himself. Maybe if you read some of his classic material, you'd see how modern wolverine shallows in comparison, because all he is, is a kid in a boys bathroom trying to be cool, and smoking a cigarette. Lol, you said Wolverine only had like one appearance in the 70's, you barely even know your own character outside if the 5 solo series you buy of his that come out nowadays, some fan.
Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
Capt... Giant Size X-men came out in 1975, and was a recurring comic ever since....But yeah, I never said that was his peak, I just said that's when he was actually interesting and relevent. I know what I'm talking about, I never said anything against Wolverine's powers except that they fail nowadays, because every writer who grew up reading him wants to out do himself. Maybe if you read some of his classic material, you'd see how modern wolverine shallows in comparison, because all he is, is a kid in a boys bathroom trying to be cool, and smoking a cigarette. Lol, you said Wolverine only had like one appearance in the 70's, you barely even know your own character outside if the 5 solo series you buy of his that come out nowadays, some fan.
Kept thinking it was 85 for some reason.
Logan had only been in 37 issues of comics in 70’s.
Funny that you say that was his best days. Becuases for starters he was not even told to have a healing factor till 1981 in uncanny x-men issue 141 and 142.
Not to mention his character was not even fully developed till his first mini and even then there was more added later.
So You liked a wolverine would did not have a healing factor………had no MA skill…….had no really back story……….had no defined powers……..aside from super senses…….over any other age? That rather pathetic actually.
Shows your wolverine knowledge to be rather narrow.
Also Logan original design was for him to be in his 20’s. He was also supposed to have spiderman level stats stated in an interview in the back of Ultimate updated x-men guide.
This was later changed. However even then he was not suppose to even bee a mutant, but rather a mutated wolverine………it even alluded to when they state in uncanny x-men issue 98 that Logan is neither human or mutant which is also talked about in the interview.
Funny how you complain about the comics now and how he overpower blah blah blah blah. Even though some of his craziest feats happen in the 80’s. I mean for starters in uncanny x-men 234 a beat up Logan turns from a brood almost instantly back to him self……….that one hella of a healing feat.
That’s not even close to the best feat either……….while poison he took a friggin god blast……….and survived.
My knowledge on wolverine vastly out weights your own oh and I own all of his classic appearances would you like me to describe any of the uncanny x-men issues in detail?
Funny thing you say current Logan smokes…………since he quite years ago in comics and has not been shown since……….he actually only smoke really in the 80’s and 90’s……..
Originally posted by BattlehammerSo You liked a wolverine would did not have a healing factor………had no MA skill…….had no really back story……….had no defined powers……..aside from super senses…….over any other age? That rather pathetic actually.
Shows your wolverine knowledge to be rather narrow.
No; it shows that he has different tastes than you.
Originally posted by Soljer
No; it shows that he has different tastes than you.
.......to simply ignore lthe last five years of wolverine in any debate is jsut plain ignorant and dumb.
he can like an undevelope.........none defined character all he likes.
still seems rather dumb to say that was when he was best lol
Originally posted by Battlehammer
.......to simply ignore lthe last five years of wolverine in any debate is jsut plain ignorant and dumb.he can like an undevelope.........none defined character all he likes.
still seems rather dumb to say that was when he was best lol
It isn't dumb.
It's just different than you. No need to hate what you don't agree with or understand. That's damned near the definition of bigotry.
Originally posted by Soljer
It isn't dumb.It's just different than you. No need to hate what you don't agree with or understand. That's damned near the definition of bigotry.
.........to ignore a character last 5 years of showings.............and then uses the issue were his healing factor was first introduce as the norm seems fine with you?
that does not ring of ignorances?
Originally posted by Battlehammer
.........to ignore a character last 5 years of showings.............and then uses the issue were his healing factor was first introduce as the norm seems fine with you?that does not ring of ignorances?
I'm paraphrasing, but did he not say "I never said that was his peak, but that's when I was interested in him."
Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
If he's dead, he's dead mac, look at Days of Futures Past
Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
No i just look at Wolverines who are actually good and interesting. You know Wolverine out of the 80's, I disregard all the crap that's been released for the 5 years, because it doesn't apply to the chracter 😉
Originally posted by Soljer
No more ignorant than saying "You're dumb and ignorant for liking a character during XXXXX time."
I don't really care when he liked the character I was simply annoyed by his ignroant statement.
I mean to only use his first issue in which he was shown to have a healing factor as a norm is sad.
Then to also ignore the last five years of comics..........becuase you dislike it it faulty debating.
I personally like the 80's wolverine my self. 90's is my favorite I would have to say maybe late 80's as well
I clearly stated that isn't his peak, it's just when the character was interesting, furthermore, he developed MA skills in the 80's, hello Kitty pryde? I disregard everything that's happened in the last 5 years. It's happened, but with marvel....Blackbolt's a skrull....So what has blackbolt actually done...meaning that with marvel, it isn't even a crime to disregard things that have occurred. Wolverine is virtually boring and uninteresting now, and all his cute little mutterings just reek with being a poser. sorry BH, but you're just a flat out fanboy, if anyone disagrees, you just say they don't know anything about Wolverine, when I know plenty about Wolverine, and I know plenty to not be interested in him as well.
Sorry BH, but you're sounding rather... ignorant yourself...
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Kept thinking it was 85 for some reason.Logan had only been in 37 issues of comics in 70’s.
Funny that you say that was his best days. Becuases for starters he was not even told to have a healing factor till 1981 in uncanny x-men issue 141 and 142.
Not to mention his character was not even fully developed till his first mini and even then there was more added later.
So You liked a wolverine would did not have a healing factor………had no MA skill…….had no really back story……….had no defined powers……..aside from super senses…….over any other age? That rather pathetic actually.
Shows your wolverine knowledge to be rather narrow.
Also Logan original design was for him to be in his 20’s. He was also supposed to have spiderman level stats stated in an interview in the back of Ultimate updated x-men guide.
This was later changed. However even then he was not suppose to even bee a mutant, but rather a mutated wolverine………it even alluded to when they state in uncanny x-men issue 98 that Logan is neither human or mutant which is also talked about in the interview.
Funny how you complain about the comics now and how he overpower blah blah blah blah. Even though some of his craziest feats happen in the 80’s. I mean for starters in uncanny x-men 234 a beat up Logan turns from a brood almost instantly back to him self……….that one hella of a healing feat.
That’s not even close to the best feat either……….while poison he took a friggin god blast……….and survived.
My knowledge on wolverine vastly out weights your own oh and I own all of his classic appearances would you like me to describe any of the uncanny x-men issues in detail?
Funny thing you say current Logan smokes…………since he quite years ago in comics and has not been shown since……….he actually only smoke really in the 80’s and 90’s……..
Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
No i just look at Wolverines who are actually good and interesting. You know Wolverine out of the 80's, I disregard all the crap that's been released for the 5 years, because it doesn't apply to the chracter 😉
Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
I've read scans, and I've read all his 70's,, and 80's stuff, when he wasn't a poser, he began becoming less cool in the 90's anyway, save for the tv show srug
what you're doing BH is called strawmanning. You're exagerating the scope of Red's claims. It's 2007 now, 5 years only takes us back to 2002. IT does not negate Wolverine being a MA or having a healing factor.I have to admit, my favorite wolverine time was back in the late 80s and early 90s. Wanna take a wild guess as to why?
Originally posted by Battlehammer
.......to simply ignore lthe last five years of wolverine in any debate is jsut plain ignorant and dumb.he can like an undevelope.........none defined character all he likes.
still seems rather dumb to say that was when he was best lol
how does that make him ignorant and dumb? Wolverine's interesting-factor got massacred through over exposure. He was interesting when he was the mysterious cynical badass, who still cared deeply about the people he was involved with, even though he didn't show it.
Seventeen different looks at his origins, and a trillion appearances in everything from Avengers to freakin' Terror Inc. and the glut of Wolverine love in the nineties where it was edgy and hip to have a character who kills people ruined him. at least for me. He lost all interest. I mean there are only so many "I can't handle the beast inside of me" type stories one can tell. And one can only have so many appearances before you stop being a mysterious loner.
Wolverine was more interesting when he wasn't unbelievably competent. it made him far more kick ass, because you'd knock him down and he'd be out, but he'd still come back for more. That's what made him effective in say... Claremont's earlier X-men stuff.
also, on the cigar smoking. I miss the Wolverine who smoke cigars and drank beers. now his only vice seems that he kills people all the time.
Or maybe it's because I stopped reading X-men about the time Wolverine stopped being interesting. Maybe he's undergone some sort of brilliant renanaissance since then.
anyways. that was just ranting and isn't really on target.
Personally, I don't really see how Wolverine could avoid starving to death. But then again, Giant Man, the Hulk, so on, anything that grows completely shatters the laws of physics, so if Marvel is cool with Wolverine being able to regrow from a single particle, that's fine with me. I just wonder where on earth the mass is coming from- is he transforming nearby air particles into flesh? The earth he's on? I don't really have a problem with Wolverine being able to regrow from a single cell because I'm willing to accept that human can turn into gorillas, an alien's body can act as a solar battery, and that an all powerful being comes from Mars who somehow turns into a child because of fire. I mean, it's not an impossible stretch of the imagination.
I just really want to know where ON EARTH IS HE GAINING THE MATTER NEEDED TO CREATE NEW TISSUE? It violates the second law of thermodynamics!