Originally posted by Burning thought🙄
pff no more pyronz in this thread, Kain comes in and owns Pyron and Giyagas for a laugh, then goes back in time brings Giyagas and Mewtwo together for a battle so the thread can continue
'Giyagas' would turn Kain into vampire souffle.
This thread is way too uneven. Mewtwo doesn't stand a ghost of a chance.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtI haven't made up anything, Mr. Misinformed.
lawls how?your making up powers for him as he goes along, he cannot kill kain....
Kain will rip out his soul and essence and destroy him completly, and if he dark, then even better, kain will use light and defeat him
And you talk about V2D... What makes you think Kain can survive a universe destroying attack?
And what do you suppose are the limits to Kain's soul ripping powers? I mean, can he just rip out anyones soul FTW? Anyway, Giygas doesn't have even a soul. His mind body and soul were destroyed by his own evil power.
Giygas isn't sensitive to light, nor is he "dark". He has one weakness.
Kain cannot die at all, a universe destroying attack wouldnt kill him....just because a nuclear bomb can blow a city doesnt mean it kills superman prime does it.....
but kain cannot be killed
also can you prove he has no soul, if he has an essence he has a soul and he doesnt have a mind either? excellent, Kain controls the space thats there then, how can he not have a mind, so he just doesnt do anything then?
Originally posted by Burning thoughtA nuclear bomb is vastly different than a universe destroying psionic attack. One releases nuclear bonding energy. The other destroys the whole of space and time. Kain would be destroyed along with the rest of space time.
Kain cannot die at all, a universe destroying attack wouldnt kill him....just because a nuclear bomb can blow a city doesnt mean it kills superman prime does it.....but kain cannot be killed
also can you prove he has no soul, if he has an essence he has a soul and he doesnt have a mind either? excellent, Kain controls the space thats there then, how can he not have a mind, so he just doesnt do anything then?
In other words, you're saying that Kain cannot be defeated.
Once again, what do you suppose are the limits of Kain's soul ripping abilities? You keep saying that he would rip the souls of people who vastly outclass him. Not to mention the fact that he would be destroyed before he could do anything.
Giygas's mind, body, and soul being destroyed by his own evil power is stated in game. He can't even think; he can only release massive amounts of psychic power. That's why he was held within the Devil's Machine by followers.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
A nuclear bomb is vastly different than a universe destroying psionic attack. One releases nuclear bonding energy. The other destroys the whole of space and time. It took him apparently 10 years to do it, kain could be in another dimension all together in a split second.In other words, you're saying that Kain cannot be defeated.
Once again, what do you suppose are the limits of Kain's soul ripping abilities? You keep saying that he would rip the souls of people who vastly outclass him. Not to mention the fact that he would be destroyed before he could do anything.
Giygas's mind body and soul being destroyed by his own evil power is stated in game. He even can't think; he can only release massive amounts of psychic power. That's why he was held within the Devil's Machine by his people.
the diffrence is in power, kain cannot die, its a rule
no he can be defeated, being killed and being defeated are two diffrent things, he is still defeated if someone magical could trap him.
if limits are not stated then you cannot assume limits, outclassing is your own opininon. If a being has a soul and has no protection whatsoever against soul ripping they can die to kain. Who outclasses kain? your judgement is all broken because supposing he has no limits on his soul powers then no one outclasses him unless they are immune to said powers, outclass him in what? he can do most powers or are you just talking about destruction, your universe destruction feat means everything? obviously not to kain, he cannot die, so he wont be killed by it, theres more to power than simply destruction.
just saying it says something in the game is not neccerily good enough, you would have to show me a piece of informatoin stating this other than your word. If he cant think, has no soul and etc etc then hes basically just like a machine.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtSo you're saying that Kain can only be trapped by magical spells? ermm
the diffrence is in power, kain cannot die, its a ruleno he can be defeated, being killed and being defeated are two diffrent things, he is still defeated if someone magical could trap him.
if limits are not stated then you cannot assume limits, outclassing is your own opininon. If a being has a soul and has no protection whatsoever against soul ripping they can die to kain. Who outclasses kain? your judgement is all broken because supposing he has no limits on his soul powers then no one outclasses him unless they are immune to said powers, outclass him in what? he can do most powers or are you just talking about destruction, your universe destruction feat means everything? obviously not to kain, he cannot die, so he wont be killed by it, theres more to power than simply destruction.
just saying it says something in the game is not neccerily good enough, you would have to show me a piece of informatoin stating this other than your word. If he cant think, has no soul and etc etc then hes basically just like a machine.
In other words, he's undefeatable.
Ok, so Kain soul rips LT ftw?
Until Kain destroys the entire universe, he is considered to be outclassed by Giygas. Send me a PM when he does it.
He is described as an "almighty idiot". A machine isn't exactly accurate. As I proposed to V2D, he is from an SNES game. Do you want me to send you an emulator and the ROM?
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
So you're saying that Kain can only be trapped by magical spells? ermmIn other words, he's undefeatable.
Ok, so Kain soul rips LT ftw?
Until Kain destroys the entire universe, he is considered to be outclassed by Giygas. Send me a PM when he does it.
He is described as an "almighty idiot". A machine isn't exactly accurate. As I proposed to V2D, he is from an SNES game. Do you want me to send you an emulator and the ROM?
yeh basically, if hes trapped he loses, but he cannot be killed, simple...
undeatable by this dumb thing yeh
LT doesnt have a soul and its empowered directly by the writers, also it can delete beings from excistence
no, outclassed in destruction, thats all......theres more than just destruction feats which add to his power, this universe destruction would not trouble kain...
no thanks, although i would like some official text, if hes an idiot then hes no threat to kain at all, the thing wont do anything to him, while giving kain time to figuire out this one weakness, what is the one weakness you stated?
Originally posted by Burning thought
yeh basically, if hes trapped he loses, but he cannot be killed, simple...undeatable by this dumb thing yeh
LT doesnt have a soul and its empowered directly by the writers, also it can delete beings from excistence
no, outclassed in destruction, thats all......theres more than just destruction feats which add to his power, this universe destruction would not trouble kain...
no thanks, although i would like some official text, if hes an idiot then hes no threat to kain at all, the thing wont do anything to him, while giving kain time to figuire out this one weakness, what is the one weakness you stated?
Actually, LT's empowered by The One Above All. Everyone in the Marvel Universe is empowered by the writers. Also, how do you know LT doesn't have a soul?
Giygas would delete Kain from existence by destroying space-time. If space-time doesn't exist, how could Kain exist?
So Kain is undefeatable to anyone who can't BFR him, right?
Hasn't Kain been defeated multiple times in-game, considering the fact that he is the protagonist?
You sound like V2D now. Outclassed in destruction? No, simply outclassed in power.
The term "idiot" means that he can't think. And he really doesn't have to.
Official text? Giygas hasn't been thought about for over 10 years. The only info on him is either on the Earthbound characters wiki, starmen.net, the official mother website, or in the game.
Ryu Hayabusa Uses the TDS to slice through Giygas since he is nothing but energy. The TDS cuts through energy like butter. So Ryu wins
Ryu sucks his soul,essence,lifeforce, and energy out try with the Kietsu
Ryubusa plot device for the win.
But in all seriousness. You stating the same thing over and over again providing no proof. Obviously it took him prep and time to destroy the universe. He didnt just Lean with it. Rock with it. Snap yo fingas. Then the universe was gone. You even Said in Mother 2 that it took ten years after the game for him to destroy the universe. What happened with him in Mother 1. Please state. Then that would be prep time. Along with the second game along with that ten years. How long did it take for him to destroy the universe. Stop avoiding the question.
Another example why time is important. Goku. Spirit bomb pwns all. If someone was actually smart enough to know omg spirit bomb of doom comming. They would kill Goku before he had the chance to pull it off. Yet Goku could still kill him with soocalled stated attack that takes time. He phailed do to the time of the attack.
Also I call bullshit
[edit] Giygas
A stilled image of Giygas's inexplicable final form, which appears in the game as an undulating background.Giygas (¥®©`¥°, G¨©gu?, Gyiyg in the Japanese version) is once again the main antagonist from Mother. Known as both the "Embodiment of Evil" and the "Universal Cosmic Destroyer," Giygas is an evil alien that intends to sentence all of reality to the horror of infinite darkness. With an army of Starmen, UFOs, and other deadly war machines, Giygas also used his immense power to influence the evil parts of the Earth's beings to assist him.
In Mother, Giygas is raised by Maria, a woman abducted along with her husband George from Earth by Giygas' alien race in the early 1900's. George studied the aliens' PSI powers without permission, and escaped back to Earth. Once he matured, Giygas was tasked by his people to make sure that PSI never spread onto Earth. However, Giygas didn't want to betray those who raised him, particularly his beloved Maria. In the end, he forced himself to detach from Maria, and began preparations for the aliens' invasion. Eighty years later, he starts the invasion, and is eventually confronted by the great-grandson of Maria and George, Ninten, and his companions. By singing a song once known by Maria and Giygas, the loving memories he had tried so hard to suppress weaken him. Giygas eventually surrenders, but promises revenge upon Ninten someday, and flies away in his UFO.
In Earthbound, Giygas has returned and has fully taken over the world ten years in the future. Once he starts to take over the current time line of the game, Ness and his companions learn that he is attacking from the center of the Earth from "innumerable years in the past." They finally reach him, and he is much different than in Mother. By this time, Giygas had gained such tremendous evil power that his mind and body were completely destroyed by it, leaving behind only his consciousness which manifests itself as what can only be described as pure evil; in Pokey Minch's words, "he is the evil power" and "an all-mighty idiot". This is highly reminiscent of the Lovecraftian god Azathoth, who is referred to as the "Blind Idiot God".
Pokey helped Giygas by creating the Devil's Machine (an eyeball-like sphere with an image of Ness's face inside) to contain Giygas' tremendous power, but it is eventually shut off, causing all his power to be unleashed; an event that creates a chaotic, bizarre dimension all around them in which only Giygas and the five children remained trapped in darkness. His attacks are random and incomprehensible, and his speech is erratic and mindless. He is eventually defeated after Paula calls out to the people of the Earth to pray (including the player), and the combined prayers reach Giygas and exploit his weakness, which turns out to be human emotions (possibly due to his loss of Maria). He fades out into nothing, and the apocalyptic future is erased.
Shigesato Itoi stated that his inspiration for Giygas' speech came from a traumatic childhood experience where he mistakenly walked into an adult movie theatre and caught a glimpse of a rape scene in the 1957 movie Kenpei and the Dismembered Beauty (‘—±ø¤È¥Ð¥é¥Ð¥éËÀÃÀÈË, Kenpei to Barabara Shibijin?).[1]
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He never destroyed the universe ten years later. HE DESTROYED EARTH. He didnt even destroy earth. He took it over. Thank you for overexaggerrating and misinterpretting to what he has accomplished. i will post multiple bios of what he has done. from different sources.
Can i get a Phail sign anyone?
As im reading more and more. You higly over exaggerated what he has done and misiinterpreted of what he said. And yes he has a concious. Which is a mind. Which can be controlled. Brain is only flesh. Telekenesis works on energy levels. not directly flesh or is it physical. Which is why people who dont have telekenesis or is imune to it. Usualy fail to it cuz their physical selves can not combatant the Telekentic energy.
Originally posted by CsdabestMassive ignorance on your behalf.
He never destroyed the universe ten years later. HE DESTROYED EARTH. He didnt even destroy earth. He took it over. Thank you for overexaggerrating and misinterpretting to what he has accomplished. i will post multiple bios of what he has done. from different sources.Can i get a Phail sign anyone?
You have no Idea what you're talking about. Play the game and stop referring to fallacious wikis.
Originally posted by Csdabest
As im reading more and more. You higly over exaggerated what he has done and misiinterpreted of what he said. And yes he has a concious. Which is a mind. Which can be controlled. Brain is only flesh. Telekenesis works on energy levels. not directly flesh or is it physical. Which is why people who dont have telekenesis or is imune to it. Usualy fail to it cuz their physical selves can not combatant the Telekentic energy.
I'm having a hard time making sense of anything you're saying.
Once again, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about, and you are only citing what fallicies you have found on the internet.
I will post screenshots from the game when I return.
Post them. I have posted sources. and All i have read states pretty much the same thing. State proof. Not your interpretation. I will gladly admit your right if provenactually wrong. I have no favor for Pyron Cuz i hate characters that are god like. And i flipping hate pokemon with a passion. So their is no favoritism here. This is what I saw. And read.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
And I thought V2D was bad. At least Pyron is a cosmic level threat.Actually, LT's empowered by The One Above All. Everyone in the Marvel Universe is empowered by the writers. Also, how do you know LT doesn't have a soul?
Giygas would delete Kain from existence by destroying space-time. If space-time doesn't exist, how could Kain exist?
So Kain is undefeatable to anyone who can't BFR him, right?
Hasn't Kain been defeated multiple times in-game, considering the fact that he is the protagonist?
You sound like V2D now. Outclassed in destruction? No, simply outclassed in power.
The term "idiot" means that he can't think. And he really doesn't have to.
Official text? Giygas hasn't been thought about for over 10 years. The only info on him is either on the Earthbound characters wiki, starmen.net, the official mother website, or in the game.
once again, you dont know anything about these characters, Pyron destroys planets, your only thinking about destruction here...Pyron can be absorbed by Demitri as shown...you phail, ime not making anything up thats the thing, Kain is not killable.
TOAA is the writers emobdiment...or more importantly the chief i think he is, no the writers just create them and their abilities, TOAA is the being who created them, its the writer, however LT is like the hand of TOAA, the hand of the writers in a way, he can do any damn thing the writers want him to do. LT is like a cosmic machine imo, he is created with an input of a job by TOAA which is to keep order and balance, i dont think it has free will either, also its omnipotent.
because he excissts in his own space and time, theres more than one universe you know. Kain would be in a completly diffrent dimension.
Kain will have to be defeated by BFR, yes, or deleted completly from excistence or incapacitated.
Kain is not defeated in Elder form ever apart from his CIS element against Raziel, who he basically let kill him, who ripped out his heart and blasted him through a dimension..and Kain lived still and got up without even any pain.
outclassed in a destruction feat, thats all, and from Csdabest it seems your talking rubbish, post your screens please. maybe post official mother website