Pyron vs Giygas

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Pyron just absorbs him. All I hear is busting feats. So he could bust a universe in ten years? Pyron can absorb him in less than a second. Pyron avoids his attacks via intangibility, and absorbs him.

You are being ridiculous. If Pyron was hit with an attack with enough power to destroy the universe, he would be very dead.

It wouldn't take 10 years for the universe destroying attack to hit Pyron, whom would be within close proximity to the attacker. It didn't even take 10 years for it to destroy the universe, and it would hit Pyron within picoseconds, before he could even react, or flee. You are feebly attempting to make a play off of my prior statement.

What would Pyron absorb? Even if he could absorb Giygas, (which he can't) Giygas is the embodiment of all evil. He exists even in Pyron's mind, which Giygas could easily destroy. Giygas isn't losing to someone far less powerful than he is.

Pyron being intangible won't save him. His mind is still vulnerable, and he couldn't avoid Giygas's universe destroying power.

Pyron is outclassed, bottom line. He will get one-shotted, mind-raped, or flat out destroyed.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Sigh...

You are being ridiculous. If Pyron was hit with an attack with enough power to destroy the universe, he would be dead.

It wouldn't take 10 years for the universe destroying attack to hit Pyron, whom would be within close proximity to the attacker. It didn't even 10 years for it to destroy the universe, and it would hit Pyron within picoseconds, before he could even react, or flee.

What would Pyron absorb? Even if he could absorb Giygas, (which he can't) Giygas is the embodiment of all evil. He exists even in Pyron's mind, which Giygas could easily destroy. Giygas isn't losing to someone far less powerful than he is.

Pyron being intangible won't save him. His mind is still vulnerable, and he couldn't avoid Giygas's universe destroying power.

Pyron is outclassed, bottom line.

2. Why can he not absorb him? Any proof? Also, Pyron's mind>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any human mind.

3. So the verse busting attack will hit something that doesn't exist on the same plane of existence? Lol, yeah right. Pyron has a much more advanced mind than any Earthbound character.

Pyron is outclassed in busting power only, bottom line.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Too bad we don't know if he charges it, or how he does it at all. For all we know, he had to charge it for several hours, and then use it. Also, Pyron is billions of times faster than light, and can think at greater speeds than any human, how would he pull it off before him?

2. Why can he not absorb him? Any proof? Also, Pyron's mind>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any human mind.

3. So the verse busting attack will hit something that doesn't exist on the same plane of existence? Lol, yeah right. Pyron has a much more advanced mind than any Earthbound character.

Pyron is outclassed in busting power only, bottom line.

As I stated, the attack moves at least a trillion times the speed of light. Pyron won't know it's coming and he won't escape it. Besides, Giygas knows what he's thinking.

Giygas>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pyron. That is an answer to both of your questions. Being intangible will not save him. And, not that it matters, Pyron having a far more advanced mind is mere speculation on your part. Ness was powerful enough to create a pocket universe with his mind. Can Pyron do that?

lol! Outclassed in busting power!? WTF?

Giygas will bust Pyron, FTW.

I think you aren't explaining this enough, Cosmic Cube, even if you need to spoil the game to prove it.

Ok, here I go.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Too bad we don't know if he charges it, or how he does it at all. For all we know, he had to charge it for several hours, and then use it. Also, Pyron is billions of times faster than light, and can think at greater speeds than any human, how would he pull it off before him?

2. Why can he not absorb him? Any proof? Also, Pyron's mind>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any human mind.

3. So the verse busting attack will hit something that doesn't exist on the same plane of existence? Lol, yeah right. Pyron has a much more advanced mind than any Earthbound character.

Pyron is outclassed in busting power only, bottom line.

I think it was already mentioned but Giegue was never human.

Physical attributes are also useless since Giygas in his Cosmic Destroyer mode is essentially a plane of existence in itself, evidenced by the fact that he doesn't have a sprite but is the background itself.

Physical attacks can hit him, yes, and so do energy and PSI attacks (psychic), but none of them have any effect on something that is essentially a realm. Reality/Universe-busting power is effectively needed to destroy him, which isn't really destroying him as much as it is unmaking him. So far, I have yet to see Pyron exhibit reality-control, not of that level anyway.

Pyron will absorb Giygas? I'm not sure that's a good idea. He is "all evil" anyway, so even if he is successful he'll likely suffer from the infinite darkness that is Giygas -inside- of him... or prehaps Giygas would expand and consume him, or maybe Pyron would just become the form of Giygas, "Pyrgos". An interesting idea, actually. Anyway, since Giygas is the "embodiment of evil" he can exist even if you destroyed his form, as long as the concept of evil remained.

Most importantly...

Even in the past, Ness and his friends were incapable of beating Giygas themselves. Everything they tried on him was "absorbed by the darkness". With Pyron, he was defeated by Demitri, wasn't he?

That would be impossible in Giygas' case.

No one has said this yet, I don't believe, but it isn't even Ness who defeats Giygas but effectively Paula. And even then she doesn't do it directly.

This is a huge spoiler so if you plan to play Earthbound don't read on.

When Paula starts praying, the psi is picked up by people in the future (telepathy transcending time and space, cool) and they start praying for the safety of Ness and his friends.

This hurts Giygas, as [human] emotion is his only weakness. As Giegue (the Mewtwo looking alien) he was defeated indirectly when Ninten and his friends wouldn't stop singing a song that his surrogate mother Maria sung to him when he was a tiny baby. The memories and the happiness he had felt then effectively defeated him and he lost the will to fight, realizing that as long as he had these memories he would be defeated. Eventually these memories are probably what caused him to become the insane Giygas as he tried to rid himself of them and lost his mind.

Even though the prayers of the people hurt him, it's meaningless. This kind of damage is nothing to someone with "infinite durability" so it still looks like a futile struggle. But then Paula's cries reach someone who is beyond even Giygas in scope and power.

"Paula and her friend's calls touched the heart of T¨€¨€ P¨€¨€¨€¨€¨€. ¨€¨€e ¨€¨€¨€¨€er prayed for the kids, having never even met them before"
Giygas takes significant damage.
"¨€h¨€ ¨€l¨€a¨€e¨€ kept praying."
Giygas takes a large amount of damage.
"¨€he ¨€la¨€er kept praying."
Giygas takes a huge amount of damage.
"The Player kept praying."
Giygas takes "mortal" damage.

You see, it isn't the characters that defeat Giygas, but the highest power available, the Player him/herself, on a higher plane of existence, who wishes him out of existence. Nothing less than that would defeat him even at his weakest.

Unless Giygas is larger than 400 thousand light years, Pyron will shrink it out of existence and if the CFE profiles are any sort of canon, Pyron will warp it out of existence or merge their world with another. Plus, Pyron is made of energy, unless you goin' to eat him, he can not die, Pyron is at the end of evolution and is like a baby Galactus capable of assimilating any world into himself.

Pyron has more information available than he did in 07. Thus, he is stronger than he was since 07.

Originally posted by No End N Site
Unless Giygas is larger than 400 thousand light years, Pyron will shrink it out of existence and if the CFE profiles are any sort of canon, Pyron will warp it out of existence or merge their world with another. Plus, Pyron is made of energy, unless you goin' to eat him, he can not die, Pyron is at the end of evolution and is like a baby Galactus capable of assimilating any world into himself.

Pyron has more information available than he did in 07. Thus, he is stronger than he was since 07.

The point was that Giygas was impossible to defeat by anything that is within the same realm(s) by any real means. If we're talking Giygas at his maximum power, then the universe is already destroyed, so the discussion is moot anyway. At that point he would in fact pretty much be the entire universe (of infinite darkness).

I don't see how Pyron can shrink it out of existence if it essentially took the will of someone from the real world (canon-wise, our world, the place completely untouchable to Giygas, Pyron, or any other character) to defeat Giygas. Pyron was defeated by Demitri, wasn't he? Unless this is a different almighty Pyron we're talking about.

The Universal Cosmic Destroyer isn’t just a name to bring fear, but named for the exact purpose that Giygas’ influence and madness will spread forever. Even if one were to flee across the entire universe, there is nowhere to hide. As long as he exists, everything will become madness. As long as evil, madness, and pain exist, Giygas exists. No force was known to be able to stop him. Pyron may have the ability to become intangible and such, but Giygas has no singular form. Pyron has one form, a flaming dude from some other planet that eats planets. There is a reason they say "You cannot grasp the form of Giygas' attack!" because it's completely and utterly incomprehensible, like Giygas' true form. If he has a "true form" at all... All I could really remember is that unleashing him created a hellish dimension of darkness and insanity all around you...

Except the will of the Player him/herself in the real world, a plane far, far, far, far, far beyond the reach of imaginary characters like Giygas and Pyron (so no, Pyron can't go there, so he isn't "capable of being on a plane vastly superior to the one Giygas is on". Tough luck.) In the real world, one could, if they had the know-how, go into the programming of the game and remove Giygas from the game altogether. That kind of power is the absolute supreme power.

Pyron, Giygas, LT, none of them have that power, no where near it. They can only influence what is in their "world", what is written for them. They might be able to break the fourth wall, but they can never go through it.

God help us if they could. We would all perish.

Personally, I think that it was genius of Itoi to include an interconnection between real life and the game and demonstrate this sort of distinction.
So in reality, the power scale should go like this...

Real people > Giygas/Pyron/LT/whatever, it doesn't matter in the end.

Originally posted by AAKRON
The point was that Giygas was impossible to defeat by anything that is within the same realm(s) by any real means. If we're talking Giygas at his maximum power, then the universe is already destroyed, so the discussion is moot anyway. At that point he would in fact pretty much be the entire universe (of infinite darkness).

I don't see how Pyron can shrink it out of existence if it essentially took the will of someone from the real world (canon-wise, our world, the place completely untouchable to Giygas, Pyron, or any other character) to defeat Giygas. Pyron was defeated by Demitri, wasn't he? Unless this is a different almighty Pyron we're talking about.

The Universal Cosmic Destroyer isn’t just a name to bring fear, but named for the exact purpose that Giygas’ influence and madness will spread forever. Even if one were to flee across the entire universe, there is nowhere to hide. As long as he exists, everything will become madness. As long as evil, madness, and pain exist, Giygas exists. No force was known to be able to stop him. Pyron may have the ability to become intangible and such, but Giygas has no singular form. Pyron has one form, a flaming dude from some other planet that eats planets. There is a reason they say "You cannot grasp the form of Giygas' attack!" because it's completely and utterly incomprehensible, like Giygas' true form. If he has a "true form" at all... All I could really remember is that unleashing him created a hellish dimension of darkness and insanity all around you...

Except the will of the Player him/herself in the real world, a plane far, far, far, far, far beyond the reach of imaginary characters like Giygas and Pyron (so no, Pyron can't go there, so he isn't "capable of being on a plane vastly superior to the one Giygas is on". Tough luck.) In the real world, one could, if they had the know-how, go into the programming of the game and remove Giygas from the game altogether. That kind of power is the absolute supreme power.

Pyron, Giygas, LT, none of them have that power, no where near it. They can only influence what is in their "world", what is written for them. They might be able to break the fourth wall, but they can never go through it.

God help us if they could. We would all perish.

Personally, I think that it was genius of Itoi to include an interconnection between real life and the game and demonstrate this sort of distinction.
So in reality, the power scale should go like this...

Real people > Giygas/Pyron/LT/whatever, it doesn't matter in the end.

1. When you say "then the universe is already destroyed, so the discussion is moot anyway" that isn't true. Pyron can NOT be hurt by force unless he wills it so. Doesn't matter how much power you attack him with. He won't die. He has to be killed by unconventional means not present in the universe.

2. Takin' the will of someone from the real world will do him no good here. He can't even fathom the powers of Pyron. Also, Pryon lost to Demitri cuz he let him. We've never seen Pyron's true power, he decided to fight by "earth rules" so he weakened himself so that he a can fight like a human. Nothin' here has been presented that would lead me to believe he can withstand Pyron's will which he can use to instantly shrink entire constellations.

3. Pleez learn a lil' bit about Pyron before you make claims about the guy. Pyron is known as "The King of The Universe" and has no singular form either, he took a flaming human shape, because he wanted to fight the way DS did. Pyron is a "Shapeless Spiritual Mass" who can conform to any shape necessary to do battle on his foe's terms. Pyron is capable of warping space and time in such a way that it merges dimensions together includin' past, present, and future. And he does this outta sheer boredom.

4. I don't know how any of this real world stuff you speak of will help him. And you speak of all this awkward mumbo jumbo when all it really takes is "prayers" to defeat Giygas, somethin' Pyron can easily do.

5. If a human can be influenced by a video game character he is 1 weak soul and the event is purely meaningless because it was all planned and the character was written to do so. I know damn well my will can't be controlled by video game characters. Havin' a game creator blur the line of reality and video games doesn't sound like a feat to me. You try to make it sound like Giygas can affect my life with it's power.

If you consider the metagame, and that Giygas could only be defeated by player input, it seems he can only be defeated by an Omnipotent God, the players themselves.

Okay, what if we didn't use the word "player" here? Giygas could only be defeated by the will of a being who watches over everything that exists, will exist, and has existed. One that messes with everything that has, does, and will exist only for the entertainment it provides. One who is not ruled by the laws of the universe and could wipe it out purely by accident.

Sounds a bit more impressive there.

Regardless, Giygas is Evil. No, not a moral state, Giygas is the embodiment of Evil itself. It would be more accurate to say that Evil is Giygas. Like evil, Giygas is everywhere, part of everything, and can make his influence known on anything evil, for the simple reason that it contains a part of Giygas. Under his definition, naughty children are pure evil. There is a reason he is known as the Almighty Idiot, in a similar way that Azathoth is known as the Blind Idiot God. His Evil is so extensive, so ultimate, that his former mind annihilated itself. He doesn't actually know what he's doing, or even that he's doing it.

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So what is prayer, if not asking for help from a higher power? I doubt Pyron can really do that. Oh, and simply praying to win isn't good enough. You need to selflessly pray for someone else. Pray to protect them.

Giygas can't be defeated without outside hep. Just sayin'.

Originally posted by The Scenario
If you consider the metagame, and that Giygas could only be defeated by player input, it seems he can only be defeated by an Omnipotent God, the players themselves.

That's obviously a game mechanic that would be very silly to include because no other video game has a particular scenario even remotely similar.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Okay, what if we didn't use the word "player" here? Giygas could only be defeated by the will of a being who watches over everything that exists, will exist, and has existed. One that messes with everything that has, does, and will exist only for the entertainment it provides. One who is not ruled by the laws of the universe and could wipe it out purely by accident.

Sounds a bit more impressive there.

Your takin' the role of the player and expandin' it to HUGE unnecessary levels callin' cats who play the game Omnipotent Gods. The player can do nothin' to the game but play it how it is intended to be played. That is all. The fact that the creators added a little gimmick to defeat it does not mean that same little gimmick applies in a VS match.

Originally posted by The Scenario
So what is prayer, if not asking for help from a higher power? I doubt Pyron can really do that. Oh, and simply praying to win isn't good enough. You need to selflessly pray for someone else. Pray to protect them.

Pyron can do anything logically possible that naturally occurs in the universe. "Selflessly praying for someone else and Praying to protect them" are logical actions that can occur in the universe and if needed, Pyron can choose to conform to the laws of this particular style of combat. Pyron is not the sort of video game boss you take him for. He is not controlled by a conscious and isn't good or evil, he acts on logic alone.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Giygas can't be defeated without outside hep. Just sayin'.

Seein' as how real players are not allowed in the VS forum, this particular plot device does not apply. And if it did, I could simply say that Giygas can only effect characters from Earth Bound.

Originally posted by No End N Site
That's obviously a game mechanic that would be very silly to include because no other video game has a particular scenario even remotely similar.

That's not true. It's how Giygas was defeated so it's very relavant to the conversation. Giygas could not be defeated by anything less than the intervention of a power capable of controlling everything and being controlled by nothing [in that reality]. Not even Pyron or Giygas have this ability, as they are still trapped in their own realities.

Originally posted by No End N Site
If a human can be influenced by a video game character he is 1 weak soul and the event is purely meaningless because it was all planned and the character was written to do so. I know damn well my will can't be controlled by video game characters. Havin' a game creator blur the line of reality and video games doesn't sound like a feat to me. You try to make it sound like Giygas can affect my life with it's power.

I didn't say you could be controlled by video game characters, you misread. I said that the game could be controlled by the player, and that Itoi expanded upon that by having the player "join the characters' party" at the end to defeat the final boss. In fact I pretty much said that Giygas could not affect the player with his power.

Originally posted by No End N Site
Your takin' the role of the player and expandin' it to HUGE unnecessary levels callin' cats who play the game Omnipotent Gods. The player can do nothin' to the game but play it how it is intended to be played. That is all. The fact that the creators added a little gimmick to defeat it does not mean that same little gimmick applies in a VS match.

To the video game, the players, and real people, are tantamount to gods. I did say that "If the player had the know-how [in proggramming] he could alter the game however he saw fit." This means you could change any badass super-overpowered video game boss to be defeated by a common two-week-old kitten if you so wanted to.
This "gimmick" is relevant to this VS match because it is how Giygas was defeated. It is his only known weakness, so it's very important. You would not disregard how Pyron was defeated by Demitri or how he is an alien, would you? They're fundamental parts of his character, so you would not ignore them.

Originally posted by No End N Site
Pyron can do anything logically possible that naturally occurs in the universe. "Selflessly praying for someone else and Praying to protect them" are logical actions that can occur in the universe and if needed, Pyron can choose to conform to the laws of this particular style of combat. Pyron is not the sort of video game boss you take him for. He is not controlled by a conscious and isn't good or evil, he acts on logic alone.

It wasn't Paula's prayer itself that defeated Giygas, but to whom the prayers finally reached. Pyron cannot emulate this effect himself because he's not a part of our world, so he would be reliant on the players to hear his prayers and respond to them, like anyone else. He may be capable of doing anything within his universe, but that still leaves him at the mercy of our whims. And prayer isn't logical- it's faith.

Originally posted by No End N Site
Seein' as how real players are not allowed in the VS forum, this particular plot device does not apply. And if it did, I could simply say that Giygas can only effect characters from Earth Bound.

How convenient for you. Like it or not, Giygas was defeated by the will of the player, and so it is important to involve the aspect of the player in this discussion.
And you are effectively correct: Giygas CAN only effect characters from the MOTHER (Earthbound) series, just like Pyron is restricted to his respective realm, and LT to his, etc. Unless the respective creators collaborate and make a crossover game of some sort (I'd buy it) we won't truly know who wins. This is all speculation in the end. Personally, I actually don't believe either of them can win. At Giygas' maximum power (as the thread stated in the beginning) the universe is already the Infinite Darkness, so there wouldn't really be any point, like I said before. Even if this did not destroy Pyron, which it probably would actually not honestly, I doubt Pyron would be able to destroy Giygas either, who is essentially a similar entity of similar power. So it would likely be a useless stalemate on both ends, meaningless because everything in the universe [except pyron in this case] would be the Infinite Darkness that is Giygas.

Originally posted by No End N Site

Pyron can do anything logically possible that naturally occurs in the universe. "Selflessly praying for someone else and Praying to protect them" are logical actions that can occur in the universe and if needed, Pyron can choose to conform to the laws of this particular style of combat. Pyron is not the sort of video game boss you take him for. He is not controlled by a conscious and isn't good or evil, he acts on logic alone.

Really? I haven't seen that one before. Though this still constitutes outside help, as Pyron must get someone to pray for his protection.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Really? I haven't seen that one before. Though this still constitutes outside help, as Pyron must get someone to pray for his protection.

Exactly, he is still at the mercy of our whims, as I said above. He's no different from anyone else in this regard.

Originally posted by AAKRON
That's not true. It's how Giygas was defeated so it's very relavant to the conversation. Giygas could not be defeated by anything less than the intervention of a power capable of controlling everything and being controlled by nothing [in that reality]. Not even Pyron or Giygas have this ability, as they are still trapped in their own realities.

If that's the case, Pyron can only be defeated if he is absorbed by Demitri Maximoff.

Originally posted by AAKRON
I didn't say you could be controlled by video game characters, you misread. I said that the game could be controlled by the player, and that Itoi expanded upon that by having the player "join the characters' party" at the end to defeat the final boss. In fact I pretty much said that Giygas could not affect the player with his power.

But that's not the only way to beat it. He can be affected through other means...like prayer. What happens if you kill everyone on Earth and there is no more evil?

Originally posted by AAKRON
To the video game, the players, and real people, are tantamount to gods. I did say that "If the player had the know-how [in proggramming] he could alter the game however he saw fit." This means you could change any badass super-overpowered video game boss to be defeated by a common two-week-old kitten if you so wanted to.

Anyone can do that to any game and that isn't how the game is meant to be played.

Originally posted by AAKRON
This "gimmick" is relevant to this VS match because it is how Giygas was defeated. It is his only known weakness, so it's very important. You would not disregard how Pyron was defeated by Demitri or how he is an alien, would you? They're fundamental parts of his character, so you would not ignore them.

No, but I would disregard the fact that it was Demitri who defeated him. I wouldn't make VS thread and say Pyron can't lose to anyone because he can only be defeated by Demitri, because that is how the creators of the game had the story end.

Originally posted by AAKRON
It wasn't Paula's prayer itself that defeated Giygas, but to whom the prayers finally reached. Pyron cannot emulate this effect himself because he's not a part of our world, so he would be reliant on the players to hear his prayers and respond to them, like anyone else. He may be capable of doing anything within his universe, but that still leaves him at the mercy of our whims. And prayer isn't logical- it's faith.

Prayer 'is' logical, Faith is why you choose do it. Giygas can not emulate the effect Demitri of absorbin' Pyron. So neither can kill each other. That just doesn't sound right to me.

Originally posted by AAKRON
How convenient for you. Like it or not, Giygas was defeated by the will of the player, and so it is important to involve the aspect of the player in this discussion.
And you are effectively correct: Giygas CAN only effect characters from the MOTHER (Earthbound) series, just like Pyron is restricted to his respective realm, and Last Testament to his, etc. Unless the respective creators collaborate and make a crossover game of some sort (I'd buy it) we won't truly know who wins. This is all speculation in the end. Personally, I actually don't believe either of them can win. At Giygas' maximum power (as the thread stated in the beginning) the universe is already the Infinite Darkness, so there wouldn't really be any point, like I said before. Even if this did not destroy Pyron, which it probably would actually not honestly, I doubt Pyron would be able to destroy Giygas either, who is essentially a similar entity of similar power. So it would likely be a useless stalemate on both ends, meaningless because everything in the universe [except pyron in this case] would be the Infinite Darkness that is Giygas.

There is nothin' Giygas can do to destroy Pyron, Infinite Darkness is not somethin' Pyron will be effected by. Pyron is so intangible he is invisible in his true form, he is like ultraviolet radiation. He has evolved past the point of good and evil and cannot be influenced by outside sources unless he wills it so. Pyron is not human, not even close. I should also mention that Giygas is not intelligent, it is basically reduced to a force with a set intent and means to cause actual harm. Meanwhile, Pyron only needs to stare at Giygas for a few moments to learn everything about it and deduce the outcome of it's future (Pyron looked at the Earth and knew the prehistoric creatures would evolve into humans and that Darkstalkers would come). All with 1 glance. I don't really see what Giygas can do to prevent Pyron from shrinkin' it and addin' it to his collection before it even knows what hit'im.

Who the hell cares who wins, Even if Pyron doesn't defeats giygas, Ness, paula, Jeff and Poo will come, they pray and defeat giygas, then Ness would proceed to defeat Pyron, kain and every challenger who dares to mess with him, then Jeff would wait in the makai to jedah to rebirth only to shoot him with his bazooka to death, then Ness would engage BBH into a violent fight killing her, And i will be there Saying "and thats why ness would be a good Anti-BBH in Darkstalkers

Darkstalkers already has a Ness, her name's Anita.

[QUOTE=13078051]Originally posted by No End N Site
[B]Darkstalkers already has a Ness, her name's Anita.

Yeah, but anita only assists donovan in battles and her older self only appeared in Dee's ending wich is non-canonical, as well playable in Marvel Heroes but again is non-canonical, but anyway lets get back again, Ness would pown pyron in a pinch and then he would laugh at him

FYI, Anita is the human equivalent of Belial Aensland. A being, who at hadicaped levels, has an aura of 1,000,000 degrees C, can break holes into the fabric of reality with sheer force, and is so damn intelligent he can see into the future with nigh-omniscience (near omniscient, as in there is not much he doesn't know).

Anyway, I'm not arguin' for a full powered Pyron in anymore threads cuz we don't know the limits of Pyron's full power. So have great day, keep tellin' yurself what ever you need to to help you sleep at night.

Originally posted by No End N Site
FYI, Anita is the human equivalent of Belial Aensland. A being, who at hadicaped levels, has an aura of 1,000,000 degrees C, can break holes into the fabric of reality with sheer force, and is so damn intelligent he can see into the future with nigh-omniscience (near omniscient, as in there is not much he doesn't know).

Anyway, I'm not arguin' for a full powered Pyron in anymore threads cuz we don't know the limits of Pyron's full power. So have great day, keep tellin' yurself what ever you need to to help you sleep at night.

I don't know what FYI means, still Not much importance, anyway and what, Ness powers are limitless, he can teleport anywhere were he wants, he can launch a very powerfull PSI WAVE Wich(PK Rockin) can not only give his enemies a seizure attack but kill them and make lord raptor jealous, he Can send a powerfull flash capable of killing or at least blind them for a long while, he also created a pocket universe on his own mind basically he is an unstopable monster and I don't see the reason why the two should fight, they can become partners and they would own anyone who dares to mess with the world, even jedah would be afraid of both(lol), which would make a better thread Jedah VS Anita VS Ness, And i have insomnia problem thanks to a lot of coffee cups in my room thanks to remind that

Everything you listed, includin' the pocket universe bit, can be done by B+ Makai beasts. Jedah and Anita are well beyond B+ level. Just so you know.

Originally posted by No End N Site
Everything you listed, includin' the pocket universe bit, can be done by B+ Makai beasts. Jedah and Anita are well beyond B+ level. Just so you know.