Magneto vs. Cable

Magneto vs. Cable
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This is Cable not hindered by the Techno Organic Virus.

This is Magneto in top shape, with out power augmentation via device or assistance.

I was reading over Fatal Attractions, and its hard to shake of the idea that Magneto is in fact a really strong mutant (I know big “Duuh“). You see him use his, electromagnetic powers to seemingly block telepathy. And if all else fails, he also has his will. Which is apparently sufficient to Xavier’s telepathic attacks. Magneto is no n00b when it comes to, psi worries. And has vast experience in dealing with them, to the point of even having a psi mutant of the first order as an underling (Exodus). Then there is also the fact that, Cable has bionic parts which could possible hinder him in battle.

I feel I should not explain what Cable, can do. But here is a link depicting his high showings.
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,145831.msg2390699.html#msg2390699

So my question is, which of these two mutants, would come up on top if they ware ever to encounter each other?

Magneto if only by experience

Give cable like 2 solid years of training uninhibated and he would stomp mags

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Magneto if only by experience

Give cable like 2 solid years of training uninhibated and he would stomp mags

I am not sure if I agree or not. But I do admit, that Cable did spend 15 comic book issues, to adhere the learning curve for such broad power. How does 15 comic book issues, quantify in a actual time. I have no freaking clue.

Originally posted by id369
I am not sure if I agree or not. But I do admit, that Cable did spend 15 comic book issues, to adhere the learning curve for such broad power. How does 15 comic book issues, quantify in a actual time. I have no freaking clue.

depending on how many night or "next day" seqences there are it could be 1 week or 2 months

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
depending on how many night or "next day" seqences there are it could be 1 week or 2 months

Then it would be a mighty fast learning curve, though he did have Askani’s training.

Magneto

The only way Mags wins, is if Cable has some metal that can easily be controlled...

In raw power though... he gets punked... badly.

Mags can control the iron in your body thou

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Mags can control the iron in your body thou

Would help him in this match.

Cable because of raw power.

Well this is what happened to a weaker Cable.
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4847/xforce2539fd7.jpg

Will his grotesque power, and control off set his weak point. A weak point, that Magneto would aim to exploit?

Magneto wins easily. Even IF cable somehow became 100% organic so mags couldn't simply shred his body via force of will, magneto has already demonstrated the ability to use the iron in the blood trick to depower mutants by making their powers inaccessible.

He did this in Xmen 300(?) against both jean grey AND professor X at the SAME TIME (in addition to both teams of xmen, xforce, and xfactor)
so clearly telepaths aren't immune to this.

Cable has no shot against a full power magneto.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Magneto wins easily. Even IF cable somehow became 100% organic so mags couldn't simply shred his body via force of will, magneto has already demonstrated the ability to use the iron in the blood trick to depower mutants by making their powers inaccessible.

He did this in Xmen 300(?) against both jean grey AND professor X at the SAME TIME (in addition to both teams of xmen, xforce, and xfactor)
so clearly telepaths aren't immune to this.

Cable has no shot against a full power magneto.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Cable was breaking down molecules and rebuilding them exactly in his fight with silver surfer

did you even read what I wrote? Magneto can DEPOWER Cable by preventing him from accessing his abilities.

He can't "break down molecules" if his powers don't work.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
did you even read what I wrote? Magneto can DEPOWER Cable by preventing him from accessing his abilities.

He can't "break down molecules" if his powers don't work.

You obviously didnt think through what i wrote

What i am saying id that it would basically come down to a quick draw

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Magneto wins easily. Even IF cable somehow became 100% organic so mags couldn't simply shred his body via force of will, magneto has already demonstrated the ability to use the iron in the blood trick to depower mutants by making their powers inaccessible.

He did this in Xmen 300(?) against both jean grey AND professor X at the SAME TIME (in addition to both teams of xmen, xforce, and xfactor)
so clearly telepaths aren't immune to this.

Cable has no shot against a full power magneto.

I can contest this as well. His inferior clone Stryfe showed the exact same feat done to Jean and Scoot in Xcutioners Song. Lets not forget that, Cable was seen, changing the protein in the blood into poison, transmutating a human, into bat form or mutating the hands to glow, thanks to the added fungai properties.

So while you can say: He can block your mutant powers, its not beyond Cables abilities.
Or if you say: He can control the iron in your blood, well he transforms your blood into iron or anything he puts his mid to it really. >_>

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
You obviously didnt think through what i wrote

What i am saying id that it would basically come down to a quick draw

a quick draw where one opponent gets depowered and the other doesn't?

Cable doesn't have any instant kill moves capable of killing magneto at the speed of thought, (and even if he did, this fight isn't bloodlust) so magneto has the advantage here.

I can contest this as well. His inferior clone Stryfe showed the exact same feat done to Jean and Scoot in Xcutioners Song. Lets not forget that, Cable was seen, changing the protein in the blood into poison, transmutating a human, into bat form or mutating the hands to glow, thanks to the added fungai properties.

Stryfe was the superior clone NOT infected with the transmode virus. not the inferior one. The two were equal except for that fact. This isn't metal gear solid.

second: stryfe immobilized scott and jean, but he didn't depower them completely. Magneto HAS done this to the entire Xmen roster.

So while you can say: He can block your mutant powers, its not beyond Cables abilities.
Or if you say: He can control the iron in your blood, well he transforms your blood into iron or anything he puts his mid to it really. >_>

and how much time is it going to take to do this? Magneto's powers also work at the speed of thought. It takes time and skill to be able to molecularly restructure something, time that cable doesn't have here.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
a quick draw where one opponent gets depowered and the other doesn't?

Cable doesn't have any instant kill moves capable of killing magneto at the speed of thought, (and even if he did, this fight isn't bloodlust) so magneto has the advantage here.

I sense much Magneto Fanboysim in you.
Lets be honest, Cable is willing to kill as much as Magneto. And instant quick kills, what about the brain splatters he did on Deadpool?

Speed of thought? Well he did keep up with Lightmasters actions, and had massive multitasking feats to claim. I would go on to say that, his multitasking feats surpass anything Magneto has shown so far.

Originally posted by Space M ummy

Stryfe was the superior clone NOT infected with the transmode virus. not the inferior one. The two were equal except for that fact. This isn't metal gear solid.

Actually that was changed. The clone does not live up to the immense power of Cable or even X-Man.
You have to keep in mind, that they can not harness the power which would eventually destroy them.
They are not meant to live past age 21. Yet Stryfe lives a healthy life past 21, and sets out to add X-Man power onto himself.

Originally posted by Space M ummy

second: stryfe immobilized scott and jean, but he didn't depower them completely. Magneto HAS done this to the entire Xmen roster.

Originally posted by Space M ummy

and how much time is it going to take to do this? Magneto's powers also work at the speed of thought. It takes time and skill to be able to molecularly restructure something, time that cable doesn't have here.

In the fight with Silver Surfer, the surroundings ware being vaporized and reconstructed instantly at an atomic level.

Originally posted by id369
I sense much Magneto Fanboysim in you.
Lets be honest, Cable is willing to kill as much as Magneto. And instant quick kills, what about the brain splatters he did on Deadpool?

I admit I'm unaware of that particular tactic or that his willingness to kill was that high.

was the "brain splatter" a telepathic attack? or a telekinetic one? That might be the deciding factor here.

Speed of thought? Well he did keep up with Lightmasters actions, and had massive multitasking feats to claim. I would go on to say that, his multitasking feats surpass anything Magneto has shown so far.

multitasking like holding asteroid M together and in orbit through sheer force of will while fighting/immobilizing both rosters of xmen, xfactor, and xforce, keeping up shields and flying at the same time? doubtful.

My edge to magneto basically comes down to the fact that magneto can deprive cable of his abilities while the opposite isn't true. If cable can either kill magneto before this happens (doubtful) or counter it (unlikely, as he has no EM abilities) then that edge is gone.

Actually that was changed. The clone does not live up to the immense power of Cable or even X-Man.
You have to keep in mind, that they can not harness the power which would eventually destroy them.
They are not meant to live past age 21. Yet Stryfe lives a healthy life past 21, and sets out to add X-Man power onto himself.

If this WAS changed that's a hell of a retcon, since stryfe was well past the age of 21 during his first appearance. When was all that established?

Originally posted by Space M ummy
I admit I'm unaware of that particular tactic or that his willingness to kill was that high.

was the "brain splatter" a telepathic attack? or a telekinetic one? That might be the deciding factor here.

Telekinetic.

Originally posted by Space M ummy

multitasking like holding asteroid M together and in orbit through sheer force of will while fighting/immobilizing both rosters of xmen, xfactor, and xforce, keeping up shields and flying at the same time? doubtful.

Then came, the detonation of US Governments 247 missiles aimed at providence.
Followed by taking Six Pack, X-Men; which latter follows his match up with Silver Surfer.

So I say, Cable did much multitasking.

Originally posted by Space M ummy

My edge to magneto basically comes down to the fact that magneto can deprive cable of his abilities while the opposite isn't true. If cable can either kill magneto before this happens (doubtful) or counter it (unlikely, as he has no EM abilities) then that edge is gone.

Well I see ware you are going with this. But I doubt it, if Silver Surfer could not deprive him of his powers (so to speak), until after Cable has exhausted himself. I doubt Magneto can. You have to keep in mind, that TK is much more flexible the controlling electromagnetic spectrum.

Originally posted by Space M ummy

If this WAS changed that's a hell of a retcon, since stryfe was well past the age of 21 during his first appearance. When was all that established?

Cable mentions, that with his powers unchecked he faces the vary same burn out Nate had.
Mr. Sinister mentions that that, no human is ever meant to handle such power and would eventfully burn out at the age of 21.