Yet we don't know how much the Buster Sword weighs.
We know that none of the ShinRa troops in LO could even pick it up from where Zack stuck it in the ground. Its quite heavy.
Ryu with a katana sliced a jet in half like it was butter.
I'm pretty sure that was a magic sword though. Zack does all of his feats with a sharpened hunk of sheet metal and his own strength.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader1. And "STUCK" in the ground. 😄
We know that none of the ShinRa troops in LO could even pick it up from where Zack stuck it in the ground. Its quite heavy.I'm pretty sure that was a magic sword though. Zack does all of his feats with a sharpened hunk of sheet metal and his own strength.
2. Magic? It's not magic without the jewel, which makes it the TDS.
1. It was in loose dirt, the scene was showing the weight of the Buster Sword. In fact it was in the ground only from Zack letting go of it, its immense weight is what put it there.
2. It's still not just a normal blade.
Look, the fact is that Zack is stronger than Ryu. That is a fact, not something to try to argue.
Lol, no it isn't a fact. haermm
And the Dragon Sword has only properties that makes it effective against evil, primarily with the eye jewel. Technically the sword is carved out of the metallic bones of an ancient dragon, and for the record, not only has Hayabusa sliced an aircraft, he was stated to be much more powerful than a human, and to back that up he slices fiends that originate from molten rock.
How can you be so blind? We have a direct comparison for God's sake. When Ryu hefts a sword that is about the size of the Buster Sword(actually a bit smaller) he has to put a lot of strength into it and is extremely slow. When Zack uses a slightly bigger blade, he is doing it extremely fast, like Ryu does with his small, light sword.
Zack has more strength, that's a fact, we have a perfect example proving it. Until you can accept the facts there's no point in debating with you.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
He uses the big sword extremely slow, its so bad that no one I know who plays NG ever uses it, because its too slow.
That explains why the Ninja Gaiden community are highly pissed it not making it into Ninja Gaiden 2.
Also no. Zack moves his sword slow compared to Ryubusa. Zack pulls off one to two maybe three hits. At the most. Ryu on the other hands pull off 5 to 6 i think 7 hit combos with that big sword.
So no.
Ryu overpowered fiends and greater fiends and can pop off heads with a staff. That takes strength
Ryu is around the same strength as zack. More or less. Just as Zack is around the same strength as ryu. More or less.
That explains why the Ninja Gaiden community are highly pissed it not making it into Ninja Gaiden 2.
Excpet for the fact that most of them aren't pissed. In fact the reason they took it out was because it was useless.
Also no. Zack moves his sword slow compared to Ryubusa. Zack pulls off one to two maybe three hits. At the most. Ryu on the other hands pull off 5 to 6 i think 7 hit combos with that big sword.
This proves you know nothing of Zack. Please stop pulling facts out of thin air. Zack hits with much speed, and if he doesn't hit you more than once its because he killed you with his first hit.
Ryu overpowered fiends and greater fiends and can pop off heads with a staff. That takes strengthRyu is around the same strength as zack. More or less. Just as Zack is around the same strength as ryu. More or less.
No, Ryu is faster than Zack, but Zac is inarguably stronger than Ryu. We have definitive proof for it.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Excpet for the fact that most of them aren't pissed. In fact the reason they took it out was because it was useless.This proves you know nothing of Zack. Please stop pulling facts out of thin air. Zack hits with much speed, and if he doesn't hit you more than once its because he killed you with his first hit.
No, Ryu is faster than Zack, but Zac is inarguably stronger than Ryu. We have definitive proof for it.
Go to some of the repectable NB and RYubusa forums and communities and you will see the Ratio. Team Ninja has recieved countless complaits about them taking the sword out. And peititions for them to put it back in.
Its not a fact. Show me a clip of Zack pulling off more than a 3 hit combo. And where was all that one hit strike with sephiroth or genesis. And if you dont relise that Zack always runs building up momentum to swing his blade. Ryu has been shown doing multiple hit combos and versitlity with D.Blade. So Ryu and Zack are near eachother in strength. More or less. Unless you provide proof where zack benches tons, squats, tons, and shiz out tons. Then you cant really say Zack is inargubly stronger than Ryu. You dont have definite proof. All you have is him swing a sword same as Ryu. There is more evidence pointing out that Ryubusa is stronger than Zack. Than Zack is stronger than Ryubusa.
Oh also. NG II Ryu is faster. If you look at the clips. Ryu is shiz load faster. Specialy with his dash. But i think he does gets faster. IMO.
Ryubusa 8/10 with the more I think about Ryu's ability.
1. Fanboys and purists never want things to be removed from sequels, no matter how useless they are. Most people, however, didn't use it. I don't know a single person who played NG and liked the thing.
2. Three words for you, 8 flashing blades. One of Zack's signature moves is an extremely quick 8 hit combo powered up by spirit energy. Zack hits with plenty of combo's, even a trailer of CC will show you that. In fact, he can do a three hit combo on someone before Ryu could aswing his big sword once. Just accept it, he isn't as strong.
3. I never said Zack was faster, just that he had more raw strength. That's a fact.
1. You just purely stating now. The D.blade was usuefull and fast. Not just pure fanboyism. Just because you dont know a sinle person who uses it, doesnt mean alot of people dont use it.
2. So he needs a super signature move to swing around his sword. Thats nice. He was poweed by spiritial energy. Ryu almost matched that number using just his physcal strength. And thanks for your opinion
Strength: Ryu =/= Zack. And Ryubusa.
3. That wasnt to you. That was to someone else who said Ryu doesnt get faster.
Also Zack being stronger than Ryu. Thats pure your opinion. You stated yourself he had to spiritally empower himself to swing his blade up to times to match Ryu wing his D.Blade 5-7 timesd with his own natural strength. Right there yo defeated your own argument about Zack being naturally physically stronger than ryubusa.
Again ryu win none the less.
1. It obviously was useless enough to be removed from NG 2 forbeing useless. That fact alone proves my point.
2. No, he uses a regular signature move to use one attack. Zack is stronger than Ryu, you can't argue this as its a proven fact.
As you can see, it would be a close fight but Zack has the edge because he is stronger. Until you can accept the facts I'm not going to debate with you.
1. Just a desicion made by the creatures to put in even better weapons. That fact proved nothing.
2. You yourself stated he spiritially empowered himself for the move. So no. Its not a fact. Stop contradicting yourself and going back on what you said.
But now for some quick off the top of the head Strength Feats for Ryu
Cutting Throw a fighter Jet with metallic bone.
Fighting bear hands a giant man spider that could have been one of Final Fantasy boses. Over powering it and beating it.
Over powering a demon. Doku to be exact.
Weilding the D.Blade swing it fast and fluently 5-7 times under his own strength. Not spiritially empowered unlike Zack. As you stated.
Cutting through a Dragon who has dragons scales that are strong enough to live in Liquid Hot magma w/o the TDS. Just his Dragon Sword which is not spiritally empowered.
Slicing through a man covered in inches of Hard steel body armor.
Slicing throw another sword in mid air. It takes strength and skill to do that I might add.
Baron Spider which was a giant humoid spider one roids. It fought it bare handed. Overpowered and one. Thats a better strength feat than tossing around a sheet of metal as you stated.
But either way Ryu wins
Zack has no advantages. Their strength is similiar. More or less. But not by alot.
Lets break this down.
Swordplay and Skill: Ryu takes with ease. Why Ryu has not only demostrated mastery with his sword but mastery as well with staffs, arrows, kunais, windmill shurikens, shurikens, Halberds, nun-chucks, doubled Bladed arts. In NGII your going to see even a bigger master. Tafons, The Scythe and Claws. So its pretty obvious Ryubusa is way more skilled by leaps and bounds Than Zack.
Speed/agility.: Ryu has demostrated how agile and fast he is and has shown not to loose speed in combat as other faster people. ryubusa Should take this category aswell.
Strength.: As i said. Its a toss up. Both have impressive strength feats. Either one can take this category.
Endurance: I have to say Ryubusa. Why Zack as shown in OVA got tired after a few minute fight with Sephiroth. Also was shown tired fighting off Shinra low rank soldeirs. Also Ryu was survived a 200 story fall and got up like it was nothing.
Magic: Ryu seems to be more skilled in what he has and seems to make better use of it and is of himself. Zack doesnt really show much use of it. And its not of his own.
Energy/Spirital energy.: I have to give this to Ryu once again. Zack energy has only been shown to throw a beam blade and empower him to swing a giant sword around 8 times fast. Ryu spirital energy has been showed to vaporise battleships in a instant
So despite your trying to say a character is stronger than another. The character your arguing for looses in a big slump.
Oh Christ, it's obvious you too are so willing to try to convince each other that the character you're supporting is stronger. Just agree that they're on about the same level. 😬
Facist, did you read my comment earlier about Ryu being able to slice fiends who reside in magma? Their durability is high enough that they're able to reside in lava for weeks or even months. The lava dragon in Ninja Gaiden has been living under a lava pool for maybe in centuries. You're trying to use the assumption that since the Buster Sword is heavier than the Dabilahro, and that since Zack wields it with more ease he's stronger, when:
Ryu can pull off a six hit combo with it in under 2.5 seconds, with 4 of those hits being done with one hand only. 😬YouTube video---
After watching the end of this video, Zack doesn't seem to have more strength wielding his sword, and this was at his very prime or right before he died.YouTube video
I think we're better off saying they're around equal in strength. For the record Ryu also has the feat of slicing material that can withstand molten rock easily, why argue it's a fact Zack's stronger than? Heck, do you even know what a fact is? 😬