Ring Slingers vs. Psy Twins

Originally posted by id369

How can you not define Surfer serious. I have read up on Norrin, and he is clearly a pacifist that likes to take names and talk things out. Yet this was not his intention, he came with a clear mission to render Cable harmless. Taking actions, not regularly seen in character.

ss is not ALWAYS a pacifist . . . but you're right -- a clear intent to render him harmless, not destroy him. ss has been depicted as angry and not holding back on only a few occasions, but he is clearly capable of planetary levels of destruction should he so choose. the other thing is, ss was never, for a moment, in any real danger in the fight. i'm just not sure the psi-guys have enough offense to put down these gl's.

again, the premise only holds if you are willing to compare elite gl's and the ss.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Still, he has to overpower Parallax.

Spectre overpowered him pretty swiftly, but it's the thought that counts. What are the recent showings of Parallax as well, that would make this a low feat?
It's not like Classic P never had low showings... ermm

Was that after 'Rebirth'?

Well Classic Parallax in Zero Hour, showings ware gyrostatically high. Seemingly no one could, take him.
Even Spectre had to put in some serious effort. It’s a clear difference with the Current to the past one.

Originally posted by leonidas
ss is not ALWAYS a pacifist . . . but you're right -- a clear intent to render him harmless, not destroy him. ss has been depicted as angry and not holding back on only a few occasions, but he is clearly capable of planetary levels of destruction should he so choose. the other thing is, ss was never, for a moment, in any real danger in the fight. i'm just not sure the psi-guys have enough offense to put down these gl's.

again, the premise only holds if you are willing to compare elite gl's and the ss.

Ok, if I see someone that can breach Surfers Board. I would think they have, raw energy to breach the GL’s defenses.

Or if a character, can survive a confirmed planet buster. Then I would think, he should be able to hold off some serious attacks from Elite Gls.

After all, in recent showings GL’s have not bin shown capable of destroying planets unaided.

Originally posted by id369
Well Classic Parallax in Zero Hour, showings ware gyrostatically high. Seemingly no one could, take him.
Even Spectre had to put in some serious effort. It’s a clear difference with the Current to the past one.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Didn't a rookie Hal KO him?
Didn't Kyle stalemate him (although there might have been circumstances I forgot)?

Zero Hour Parallax? That was Hal, absorbing the energies of the OA central battery (Me thinks, not entirely sure). With his new found powers, and apparently change in personality he took up the name Parallax. (before the retcone took place).

And during the events of Zero Hour it took Spectre direct intervention, for anything to happen. Prior to Zero Hour I have no clue.

leonidas lets Battlezone this match 😮‍💨

Originally posted by id369
Zero Hour Parallax? That was Hal, absorbing the energies of the OA central battery (Me thinks, not entirely sure). With his new found powers, and apparently change in personality he took up the name Parallax. (before the retcone took place).

And during the events of Zero Hour it took Spectre direct intervention, for anything to happen. Prior to Zero Hour I have no clue.

Also, Zero Hour Parallax is still 'Classic', so I can't see what adding the Zero Hour does...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I don't remember the circumstances, but I do know Hal reamed him.
I think he came from the past though.

Also, Zero Hour Parallax is still 'Classic', so I can't see what adding the Zero Hour does...

I think it was my behalf, to set it strait. That current Parallax is hardly Classic Parallax level.

Originally posted by id369
I doubt it was Hal, Hal was Parallax through out Zero Hour events. That I am sure off.

I think it was my behalf, to set it strait. That current Parallax is hardly Classic Parallax level.

Perhaps. But I'm just saying that it's not like Classic doesn't have "bad" feats.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Definitely Hal.
He came from the past I believe, and it was rookie Hal vs Parallax.

Perhaps. But I'm just saying that it's not like Classic doesn't have "bad" feats.

Lets talk telepathy, the Lanterns shields are not absolute. And Telepathy seems to be one of the Psi twins strong points. Reading through, it seems to be an effective weapon, if a mind swipe was to take place.

Originally posted by id369
Well their you have it. A simple clarification was water down to a Parallax topic.

Lets talk telepathy, the Lanterns shields are not absolute. And Telepathy seems to be one of the Psi twins strong points. Reading through, it seems to be an effective weapon, if a mind swipe was to take place.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I know Hal has had to take his shield down to let someone read his thoughts before...

Um, yes Green Lantern #4. But it was a severely weaken Hector, with restrains. Yet in issue 6, it was thanks to Hector telepathic intrusion that Hal woke up. Leading to my belief that, the ring while versatile. Are not absolute great at everything.

Originally posted by id369
Um, yes Green Lantern #4. But it was a severely weaken Hector, with restrains. Yet in issue 6, it was thanks to Hector telepathic intrusion that Hal woke up. Leading to my belief that, the ring while versatile. Are not absolute great at everything.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Hal was out when he woke him up...
While weakened, but it's still a feat of defense...

But the shields remain up until, Hal consciously unarms them. Yet Hector managed to establish a telepathic link with Hal. A few matters have to be factored in.

1) Is Hector, Nate & Nathan level.

2) Nate, and Nathan have several occasion overcoming Telepaths. And in Nate case, overcoming Telepathic shielding.

So does the GL/SC rings really provide sufficient protection from telepathic assault?

Originally posted by id369
But the shields remain up until, Hal consciously unarms them. Yet Hector managed to establish a telepathic link with Hal. A few matters have to be factored in.

1) Is Hector, Nate & Nathan level.

2) Nate, and Nathan have several occasion overcoming Telepaths. And in Nate case, overcoming Telepathic shielding.

So does the GL/SC rings really provide sufficient protection from telepathic assault?

Also, I thought the shields only came up, if the wearer put them up, or the wearer was in harm's way (or something along those lines)... Hal wasn't in either case.
The ring's protection is also pretty inconsistent...

Most likely not.

Nice.

Maybe, maybe not.

Ok so Telepathic assault is a wild card that might/might not work.

Power is the major dilemma here. Cable and Nate certainly have power, in terms of raw power it is said to rival the Phoenix Force Avatar (the Dark Phoenix to be exact). Yet physical inhibiters, a missing stage of evolution, conscious and unconscious limitations set. Cable and X-Man can only accesses a fraction, and even then its grotesquely high, yet risk eventually burning them self out. So I guess, it has to be determined by feats, and what their respective showings are.

However, both wield high end telekinesis, and as Mr. Sinister puts it: “The ability to mold the atoms as its clay” So if we go by grand scale to the vary finite ability set. This is something else, the Gls should look out for. Since Both Cable and X-Man have bin shown to alter matter an atomic level. Let it be energy, solids or organic.

Originally posted by leonidas
ss is not ALWAYS a pacifist . . . but you're right -- a clear intent to render him harmless, not destroy him. ss has been depicted as angry and not holding back on only a few occasions, but he is clearly capable of planetary levels of destruction should he so choose. the other thing is, ss was never, for a moment, in any real danger in the fight. i'm just not sure the psi-guys have enough offense to put down these gl's.

again, the premise only holds if you are willing to compare elite gl's and the ss.

Look at Galactus & Surfer vs. the Primordial Gods, the planet was still left standing and intact.

Instinct tells me the psi- twins win this

I have not seen enough proof that the rings will stop nates telepathy from taking over their minds, i really dont see a long hard match here, but hey its just me

If i was shown consistant proof of the protection the rings can provide it would help, i just dont see the GL's winning this, but thats the fun of this site