Rexxar Vs. Grom Hellscream

Ok, here we go. I don't know why you guys keep saying that Grom wasn't as good as Mannoroth and Cenarious when he did in fact kill them both. Thus, Rexxar's size means nothing. Both of their ages are not stated so you can't say who was older. Speed? How can you tell who was faster, I'd personally think that Grom was faster due to WW for one, and his smaller nature would probably give him a swift speed increase over Rexxars. The pets do help, but this is hard to determine. According to the lore I don't see anything of him having any other pets besides Misha. In WC3 however, he had a bunch. I'm not sure who is stronger, Rexxar has his size but you have to admit, Grom was pretty damn strong for who his size. As far as Gorehowl goes, I'm not sure how an axe makes you any better but oh well haha. I just want to know where you guys are getting that Rexxar has more experience? Perhaps a reference to a documented source would be helpful. As far as I remember in WC3, he didn't have much back story and he was kind of thrown into the game as a test for WoW mechanics. I assume they were after feedback on how people would take to it. I'm sure you lore fanatics out there will prove me otherwise though. 😉 Yes yes, there was that story and everything. But I think that came after WC3, I could be wrong. Ok then, where was I? Ah yes, Grom on the other hand, has fought in many wars one of which, he slayed Cenarious. As far as the Mannoroth being stunned by Thrall is kind of preposterous. Anyone would have had time to defend themselves against the ten seconds it took Grom to run to Mannoroth. As I recall from the video, Grom cut Mannoroth's spear and armor in half. He beat him fair and square, Although, he did die right afterwards due to the fact that him and Mannoroth were kind of one in each other with the whole blood thing. Chaos Grom definitely would be able to kill Rexxar because, this is just me, that Rexxar couldn't kill Cenarious or Mannoroth whereas Grom could. But then again it could be a double edged sword if Rexxar was chaos as well. If you wanted them to be on an even playing field, you'd just put Rexxar against Grom without Misha. But when you add in Misha due to lore then you could put in the chaos part of Grom. Hmm...let me recollect my thoughts heh. I don't think Misha is that much of a challenge for anyone alone, he/she doesn't have anything that distinguishes he/she from any other bear. Something that a good warrior could dispatch quickly. Hell, I remember that if I didn't have Zul'jin keep healing him/her, he/she would have died quickly. 🙁 Ok now...let's see...ah yes, Thrall is a good warrior, but I don't think he matched the degree that Grom was. DarkC, I respect your show of lore and knowledge of this topic, but so far you haven't contributed anything to show that Rexxar would win this fight. You've pretty much only shot down what others have said about Grom. Now, that being said about Grom, Rexxar has his abilities too. He has Misha yes, he has his ogre size and orc speed too. He has some combat experience yes, as he was deemed "Champion of the Horde" by Thrall. However, I'm sure Thrall thinks higher of Grom then Rexxar. Who's to say that Grom wouldn't just charge Rexxar like he did Mannoroth? I think ground rules need to be established before we can flat out debate who would win. Both are very strong combatants with different abilities. We need to set down some background rules and such to where they would fight and the abilities and such we basing this off of. That includes game versions or book versions. Now, I stand ready for the insults. 😉

-Wolfangel

Oh, feel free to hit me up on the Moonrunner server under the same name. Horde side of course.

Excuse me for the double post but, I have found an update on the age of Grom.

Visit Wowwiki and look up Grom. Then, scroll down to read about his age.

Sorry about not being able to post links. Here is the quote:
"Grom Hellscream is an interesting case study in the changing timelines of the Warcraft universe. In the Warcraft III manual, Grom is dated at age 46."

This could be faulty, even though Blizzard states it in the WC3 manual, if you read down, they give you a description of why he should be older.

Ok I've done some reading and apparently Misha is an enchanted bear, that's all it says though. Keep me in line you guys 😄

-Wolfangel

Originally posted by Wolfangel
Ok, here we go. I don't know why you guys keep saying that Grom wasn't as good as Mannoroth and Cenarious when he did in fact kill them both.

Grom Hellscream, during RotH had problems with a handfew Draenei back at Draenor during their war. He barely made it out alive at times.

Mannoroth however, during WotA could march unhindered trough armies of hostility.

Cenarius fought hundreds of demons, infernals and eredar by himself and almost made it.

Brox is an orc I would consider more skillful than Grom Hellscream, since he has proven himself to be so at numerous times. Brox could take on three Doom Guards simulantaniously, while Grom had problem with three Draenei (whom cornered him). Cenarius fought a dozen Doom Guard, a smothering amount of Fel Guards and a few hundred other demons.

That is my opinion on why people's opinion about Grom being better than Mannoroth and Cenarius inaccurate.

Originally posted by Wolfangel
Ok, here we go. I don't know why you guys keep saying that Grom wasn't as good as Mannoroth and Cenarious when he did in fact kill them both. Thus, Rexxar's size means nothing. Both of their ages are not stated so you can't say who was older. Speed? How can you tell who was faster, I'd personally think that Grom was faster due to WW for one, and his smaller nature would probably give him a swift speed increase over Rexxars. The pets do help, but this is hard to determine. According to the lore I don't see anything of him having any other pets besides Misha. In WC3 however, he had a bunch. I'm not sure who is stronger, Rexxar has his size but you have to admit, Grom was pretty damn strong for who his size. As far as Gorehowl goes, I'm not sure how an axe makes you any better but oh well haha. I just want to know where you guys are getting that Rexxar has more experience? Perhaps a reference to a documented source would be helpful. As far as I remember in WC3, he didn't have much back story and he was kind of thrown into the game as a test for WoW mechanics. I assume they were after feedback on how people would take to it. I'm sure you lore fanatics out there will prove me otherwise though. 😉 Yes yes, there was that story and everything. But I think that came after WC3, I could be wrong. Ok then, where was I? Ah yes, Grom on the other hand, has fought in many wars one of which, he slayed Cenarious. As far as the Mannoroth being stunned by Thrall is kind of preposterous. Anyone would have had time to defend themselves against the ten seconds it took Grom to run to Mannoroth. As I recall from the video, Grom cut Mannoroth's spear and armor in half. He beat him fair and square, Although, he did die right afterwards due to the fact that him and Mannoroth were kind of one in each other with the whole blood thing. Chaos Grom definitely would be able to kill Rexxar because, this is just me, that Rexxar couldn't kill Cenarious or Mannoroth whereas Grom could. But then again it could be a double edged sword if Rexxar was chaos as well. If you wanted them to be on an even playing field, you'd just put Rexxar against Grom without Misha. But when you add in Misha due to lore then you could put in the chaos part of Grom. Hmm...let me recollect my thoughts heh. I don't think Misha is that much of a challenge for anyone alone, he/she doesn't have anything that distinguishes he/she from any other bear. Something that a good warrior could dispatch quickly. Hell, I remember that if I didn't have Zul'jin keep healing him/her, he/she would have died quickly. 🙁 Ok now...let's see...ah yes, Thrall is a good warrior, but I don't think he matched the degree that Grom was. DarkC, I respect your show of lore and knowledge of this topic, but so far you haven't contributed anything to show that Rexxar would win this fight. You've pretty much only shot down what others have said about Grom. Now, that being said about Grom, Rexxar has his abilities too. He has Misha yes, he has his ogre size and orc speed too. He has some combat experience yes, as he was deemed "Champion of the Horde" by Thrall. However, I'm sure Thrall thinks higher of Grom then Rexxar. Who's to say that Grom wouldn't just charge Rexxar like he did Mannoroth? I think ground rules need to be established before we can flat out debate who would win. Both are very strong combatants with different abilities. We need to set down some background rules and such to where they would fight and the abilities and such we basing this off of. That includes game versions or book versions. Now, I stand ready for the insults. 😉

-Wolfangel

Oh, feel free to hit me up on the Moonrunner server under the same name. Horde side of course.

I'm sorry, but after reading all that trough, I realised I didnt have to.. It was a waste of time, since nothing that you said actually contributed in Grom's advantage considering what has already been said in this thread..

first off. to you ppls who love grom so much. understand that just because he killed a demigod and demon doesnt make him stronger then rexxar. first off, rexxar is smarter larger then grom.you grom fans are only basing your choice on his accomplishments and not his talents. he killed cenarious only because the legion assisted him and he only killed mannorth with luck and the AID of thrall. if thrall wouldnt have cracked his armor the axe wouldnt have cut through. rexxar is known as champion of the horde and has done the horde much more services then grom.besides enslaving the whole orcish race the only thing from did tht was useful was luckily killing mannorth. other then tht he messed up the night elves by killing cenarious and he ruined thralls battle strategems countless times with his sensesless bloodlust towards the humans. and like the others said. read the novels, go on the Wow site and if your gonna base your theories form campaign. make SURE you get them right cause i kno i do ccause im always playin campaign.

Dont get me wrong i like hellscream. he is a hero but this post if about whos stronger and rexxar tops hellscream. (not to mention he is last son of the Mok'nathol)

Rexxar in a stomp 🙂

My opinnion is that Rexxar is son of ogre+orc lol what a looser i wonder who is mom ogre or orc but thats not the thing we talk about.
If rexxar is stronger than Grom he is stronger than Thrall becouse in fight with monnoroth thrall didnt touch monnoroth and who said that a rexxar who lived in the wild and is son of ogre is smarter than Hellscream and where the **** in the books says that draneis beat orcs 1 of the reasons orcs to go in azeroth is that they are hungry for blood and if they dont find what to kill they will start fight among they and 1 from orcs says'' THERE IS NO MORE DRANEIS TO KILL''
Grom means Giant in orcish so rexxar is not stronger and Monnoroth is not more powerfull than Grom if it was so he was not searching help from him.
Grom charges Rexxar and he ends like monoroth

And we can talk who is older Hellscream is older becouse where in azzeroth orc ****ed ogre to make rexxar
And pets are fast dead just 1 bladestorm and they are dead

This is story we cant talk who will win becouse they are not real

Cenarius fought hundreds of demons, infernals and eredar by himself and almost made it.

Brox is an orc I would consider more skillful than Grom Hellscream, since he has proven himself to be so at numerous times. Brox could take on three Doom Guards simulantaniously, while Grom had problem with three Draenei (whom cornered him). Cenarius fought a dozen Doom Guard, a smothering amount of Fel Guards and a few hundred other demons.

Its normal to beat them the book will be shit if he dont beat them

Mannoroth > Thrall > Rexxar > Grom.

Originally posted by hellscreambg
And we can talk who is older Hellscream is older becouse where in azzeroth orc ****ed ogre to make rexxar
And pets are fast dead just 1 bladestorm and they are dead

Ogres originated on Draenor. Bladestorm would be stopped by a single Misha tackle.

Originally posted by hellscreambg
This is story we cant talk who will win becouse they are not real

Sure we can. Fictional characters has won in the past, just like how Rexxar would win this.

Originally posted by hellscreambg
Cenarius fought hundreds of demons, infernals and eredar by himself and almost made it.

Brox is an orc I would consider more skillful than Grom Hellscream, since he has proven himself to be so at numerous times. Brox could take on three Doom Guards simulantaniously, while Grom had problem with three Draenei (whom cornered him). Cenarius fought a dozen Doom Guard, a smothering amount of Fel Guards and a few hundred other demons.

Its normal to beat them the book will be shit if he dont beat them

That's of no contibution to this thread, since we don't have a Cenarius or Broxigar here. Losing to a Dranei is not a shameful moment. The Draenei fight like five men and each and every one as if they were leaders themselves according to the orcs (Who rank according to combat prowess).

Originally posted by hellscreambg
My opinnion is that Rexxar is son of ogre+orc lol what a looser i wonder who is mom ogre or orc but thats not the thing we talk about.
If rexxar is stronger than Grom he is stronger than Thrall becouse in fight with monnoroth thrall didnt touch monnoroth and who said that a rexxar who lived in the wild and is son of ogre is smarter than Hellscream and where the **** in the books says that draneis beat orcs 1 of the reasons orcs to go in azeroth is that they are hungry for blood and if they dont find what to kill they will start fight among they and 1 from orcs says'' THERE IS NO MORE DRANEIS TO KILL''
Grom means Giant in orcish so rexxar is not stronger and Monnoroth is not more powerfull than Grom if it was so he was not searching help from him.
Grom charges Rexxar and he ends like monoroth

Fail.

Originally posted by hellscreambg
My opinnion is that Rexxar is son of ogre+orc lol what a looser i wonder who is mom ogre or orc but thats not the thing we talk about.
If rexxar is stronger than Grom he is stronger than Thrall becouse in fight with monnoroth thrall didnt touch monnoroth and who said that a rexxar who lived in the wild and is son of ogre is smarter than Hellscream and where the **** in the books says that draneis beat orcs 1 of the reasons orcs to go in azeroth is that they are hungry for blood and if they dont find what to kill they will start fight among they and 1 from orcs says'' THERE IS NO MORE DRANEIS TO KILL''
Grom means Giant in orcish so rexxar is not stronger and Monnoroth is not more powerfull than Grom if it was so he was not searching help from him.
Grom charges Rexxar and he ends like monoroth

I think that Rexxar wouldn't have been able to kill Mannoroth because of Mannoroth's armor, but would be able to defeat Grom. Grom could defeat Mannoroth, but wouldn't be able to defeat Rexxar. After all, what would Grom do when he is attacking Rexxar, but Misha is attacking him from behind or vice versa? He wouldn't be able to defend his backside. They both have their own advantages that can work for one opponent, but not the other. You see, it doesn't have to be like what most people are arguing, that just because one of them could beat one strong opponent automatically means they could beat all the other opponents that opponent has beaten. This is narrow thinking. It's not "one man can defeat all."

Oh and by the way. I have never read anything about Rexxar ever using a bow. Very strange for a hunter don't you think? I could be wrong about that though, and if I am please feel free to correct me. I hope i helped some of you guys from not being so closed minded and influencing your decisions just because you favor one over the other.

What's with this thread and new members? 😐

Grom is Rexxar inferior in virtually every aspect. We don't have much combat feats, but Rexxar was dubbed Champion of the Horde for a reason.

Grom is good, very good, but he walks into a slaughter here.

Originally posted by RaizenYujiro
For your statement that says "Grom charges Rexxar and he ends like Mannoroth." What evidence do you have to prove this statement? What makes you think Grom would charge Rexxar and kill him so easily, providing Rexxar even gives Grom the chance to get that close. Think what the outcome would have been for Grom if Mannoroth actually had a long range weapon while Grom was charging him. Wouldn't Grom have been defeated before he could even reach Mannoroth? After all, it's not like Grom has much armor to protect himself from a direct attack.

I think that Rexxar wouldn't have been able to kill Mannoroth because of Mannoroth's armor, but would be able to defeat Grom. Grom could defeat Mannoroth, but wouldn't be able to defeat Rexxar. After all, what would Grom do when he is attacking Rexxar, but Misha is attacking him from behind or vice versa? He wouldn't be able to defend his backside. They both have their own advantages that can work for one opponent, but not the other. You see, it doesn't have to be like what most people are arguing, that just because one of them could beat one strong opponent automatically means they could beat all the other opponents that opponent has beaten. This is narrow thinking. It's not "one man can defeat all."

Oh and by the way. I have never read anything about Rexxar ever using a bow. Very strange for a hunter don't you think? I could be wrong about that though, and if I am please feel free to correct me. I hope i helped some of you guys from not being so closed minded and influencing your decisions just because you favor one over the other.

Rexxar is not a hunter and there is a lot in this thread that is not biased but rather just common sense. there is more making sense here than there are that are not. DarkC, Q'Anilia, Lich King, Obsidian Fury and more has all shared posts that were in fact not at all biased

Originally posted by Hierarch
Rexxar is not a hunter and there is a lot in this thread that is not biased but rather just common sense. there is more making sense here than there are that are not. DarkC, Q'Anilia, Lich King, Obsidian Fury and more has all shared posts that were in fact not at all biased

Also, in a recent World of Warcraft fall issue of PC Gamer magazine, Rexxar was in fact stated as a hunter under the 'Character Class' section on page 19. Why would Blizz allow that to be published by PC Gamer if it wasn't true?

I think it is more accurate to say that hunter falls under the category of beastmaster, at least in lore. I do not think hunters in lore actually have pets, which makes me also think that hunter falls under the category of beastmaster rather than the other way around, also because beastmastery is a different type of character than common hunters and rangers. there are no pets in the Warcraft manga or DC comic, and there are a lot of hunters there

his pet is not tamed, but rather a companion. he is more druid than hunter and in synch with nature. remember that Rexxar existed before World of Warcraft and beastmaster before hunter in Warcraft.
the reason Blizzard would say that could be to simplify for the less cunning and more into World of Warcraft than Warcraft 3 players what Rexxar was. in World of Warcraft, the closest to Rexxar you get is hunter, even though he is warrior and druid as well.

when it comes to PC Gamer, Blizzard has no control of what they write. they can, and often have written what they want. I have read a lot of inaccurate things in PC Gamer. one example of false information about World of Warcraft is the history of the Blood Elf in PC Gamer's first 2008 issue.
PC Gamer should not be trusted any more than you trust an online blog that write about Blizzard or the history of Warcraft