Originally posted by Battlehammer
Thats all you have? You have no other response so you say this?
Response to what?
Your argument is laughable on the face of it.
Battlehammer's idea of logic:
1) Black Tarantula beat the hell out of Spider-Man.
2) Therefore Wolverine would whoop Black Tarantula.
That's not logic.
It's the debate equivalent of a botched coat-hanger abortion.
Originally posted by KK the GreatGreat debating skill, champ. 🙂
Sure you have, sport.Sure you have.
And don't assume that we overrate Darkseid just because Nvr has an obsession that he is looked down upon because of (well, and the Wonder Woman thing... and the douche thing... but, beside the point).
Originally posted by KK the GreatNo.
Battlehammer's idea of logic:1) Black Tarantula beat the hell out of Spider-Man.
2) Therefore Wolverine would whoop Black Tarantula.That's not logic.
It's the debate equivalent of a botched coat-hanger abortion.
If you read back, he said that just because he took Spidey in H2H doesn't mean he could take Logan.
Up close and personal, Logan > Parker.
So there's no evidence of ability to take down Logan, but plenty of rationale behind Logan taking BT down... 🙂
Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
If you read back, he said that just because he took Spidey in H2H doesn't mean he could take Logan.
That was his entire argument.
He's ridiculously trying to paint Black Tarantula's obvious superiority to Spider-Man as a bad thing.
Up close and personal, Logan > Parker.
How in the hell is that considered something that should be taken for granted?
He hasn't presented any argument thus far.
All he was doing was pointing out that beating Spiderman doesn't equate to beating Logan. They're different beasts.
An earlier poster had acted as if Black Tarantula wins solely based on his winning record against Spidey. Capt was just refuting that. No harm, no foul, calm your happy ass down.
Originally posted by KK the GreatBad thing?
That was his entire argument.He's ridiculously trying to paint Black Tarantula's obvious superiority to Spider-Man as a bad thing.
No... just not necessarily consequential thing.
Originally posted by KK the GreatWell, if you would like to debate it, we can.
How in the hell is that considered something that should be taken for granted?
Spider-Man, no webbing, against Wolverine in a close quarters match?
Wolverine eviscerates him.
Superior fighting skills, ability to one-shot, can take many, many solid hits while Pete can take one, maybe two or three.
Originally posted by Soljer
He hasn't presented any argument thus far.All he was doing was pointing out that beating Spiderman doesn't equate to beating Logan. They're different beasts.
It's not as though he managed to pull out a tough-fought victory against Spider-Man. He thoroughly outclassed Peter on every front. He's just on another level of power.
Originally posted by Soljer
He hasn't presented any argument thus far.All he was doing was pointing out that beating Spiderman doesn't equate to beating Logan. They're different beasts.
An earlier poster had acted as if Black Tarantula wins solely based on his winning record against Spidey. Capt was just refuting that. No harm, no foul, calm your happy ass down.
correct. seems KK is not as quick of mind as he likes to act.
Originally posted by KK the Great
It's not as though he managed to pull out a tough-fought victory against Spider-Man. He thoroughly outclassed Peter on every front. He's just on another level of power.
BT really only showed to be superior in skill and strength.
Logan would ruin spiderman in a melee confrontation.
so im still waiting to see how BT beats wolverine the majority.
Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
No.If you read back, he said that just because he took Spidey in H2H doesn't mean he could take Logan.
Up close and personal, Logan > Parker.
So there's no evidence of ability to take down Logan, but plenty of rationale behind Logan taking BT down... 🙂
Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
Bad thing?No... just not necessarily consequential thing.
The primary indication we have of his power level is inconsequential.
Right.
Well, if you would like to debate it, we can.Spider-Man, no webbing, against Wolverine in a close quarters match?
Wolverine eviscerates him.
Superior fighting skills, ability to one-shot, can take many, many solid hits while Pete can take one, maybe two or three.
Ah, yes. The old "webbing can't be used in h2h, but adamantium claws are fair game" card.
Here's the thing, though.
Spider-Man wasn't handicapped against Black Tarantula. If you have to handicap him against Wolverine to get the same outcome (tenuous as it is), then you don't really have much of an argument on your hands, do you?
Originally posted by KK the Great
The primary indication we have of his power level is inconsequential.Right.
Ah, yes. The old "webbing can't be used in h2h, but adamantium claws are fair game" card.
Here's the thing, though.
Spider-Man wasn't handicapped against Black Tarantula. If you have to handicap him against Wolverine to get the same outcome (tenuous as it is), then you don't really have much of an argument on your hands, do you?
man your not very quick on the ball. And you love putting words in peoples mouths that they did not say.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
.........were not handy caping spiderman............
Yes you absolutely are.
were saying if spiderman tried and take it h2h like he did verse BT he get stomped.
He used webbing against BT. It just wasn't as effective as it is against Wolverine.
Originally posted by KK the GreatIn respect to why he takes a majority over Wolverine?
The primary indication we have of his power level is inconsequential.Right.
I see nothing of consequence.
Originally posted by KK the GreatThe original point was that BT would take this to an up close match, because of CIS. Wolverine excels at H2H, and would do much more damage in a melee match than Spider-Man would. Hell, he would do much more damage in a melee match than Spider-Man would in an all-out match. And, because Logan uses his claws in melee confrontations, we assume that he would here as well.
Ah, yes. The old "webbing can't be used in h2h, but adamantium claws are fair game" card.
I don't see why limiting Wolverine past what his character would normally do (use teh clawz), is necessary...
Originally posted by KK the GreatNo. I was comparing Wolverine's up close melee skills and abilities to Spider-Mans. Not attempting to say "BT > Parker < Wolvz"
Here's the thing, though.Spider-Man wasn't handicapped against Black Tarantula. If you have to handicap him against Wolverine to get the same outcome (tenuous as it is), then you don't really have much of an argument on your hands, do you?
Again, I see plenty of rationale as to why Logan would take Tarantula, and nothing to the contrary.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
So KK your entire arguement is that BT beat spiderman in h2h match so there fore he beats wolverine?If thats your arguement your extremely ignorant.
Which of his fights are you basing your opinion of his formidability on, then?
Unless...
Silly me.
You're not basing it on anything.
You're just mindlessly supportive of Wolverine because of your exceptional bias. Which explains that ridiculous *quiz* you subjected me to in my PM box when I first registered.
Originally posted by KK the Great
Yes you absolutely are.He used webbing against BT. It just wasn't as effective as it is against Wolverine.
First off spiderman went almost purely h2h with BT. he tried to web him a little and stop. Also BT strong enough to break webbing. Wolverine on the other hands not. Not that he needs to be.
also the scann you used was from a non fight. Logans claws are in and talking. But nice try there champ. Oh and anther thing spiderman has never been able to put Logan down in a fight via webbing.
Oh also
Originally posted by KK the Great
Which of his fights are you basing your opinion of his formidability on, then?Unless...
Silly me.
You're not basing it on anything.
You're just mindlessly supportive of Wolverine because of your exceptional bias. Which explains that ridiculous *quiz* you subjected me to in my PM box when I first registered.
..............You have yet to give a single reason for why BT wins ecpt for "um he wins becauses he so powerful".
Please I love to here how BT takes Logan down who by the way can take BT best shots and is still vastly more skilled.
