so how many people happy with the look of the joker?

Originally posted by Mr Parker
that pretty much sums it up for me to a tee.At least all the way up to him winding up on the other side of the spectrum.Exactly,that doesnt mean the joker has to look like THIS,come on. 😠 for me,MY look of the Joker is like I said earlier,to look like Romero made him look like in the 60's show.Just because he was campy in that show and had that look then doesnt mean he cant have that same look he had then and STILL be scary and menacing.

Come on.The ONLY reason that wasnt scary then was not because of his look back then,but because of the way Romero played him in a comical way the way he was meant to.Ledger can still look the same way Romero did and STILL be scary and menacing at the same time you know.As long as Ledger plays him in a sinister way then people would no longer think of Romero's look as being a comical Joker.Romero's Joker could have been the sinister and evil joker from the comics back then if they wanted him to be, thats just not the way the direction of the show went obviously.The Joker from the comics screams scary and sinister which again with the look Romero had back then COULD have been done that way back then if they so chose.Give Ledger the same look of the joker that Romero had and he could make him sinister and evil.That I have no doubt about just frome the teaser trailer of hearing Ledgers voice.

The thing about the Joker is he looks kind of crazy and funny, he's a clown he looks whimsical in a way that's what's scary about him is that he looks silly and harmless or almost charming but he'd slit your throat just as soon as he'd do anything else. The Joker could still look like the old incarnations to an extent and have some darker elements but to me he just looks disgusting. Not like the Clown Prince of Crime, but like the Clown Prince of Mold and Stench.

I get and respect that Nolan is trying to do his own thing but he is going to do it to the point where he is going to alienate his audience beyond the hardcores. I've shown some of these pictures to just general fans of Batman, people who might not even have read a comic but like the character and they're like "What the hell is that?! Ewww!" The only people I see salivating over the new Joker overall is mostly the hardcore Batman fans, aside from me a hardcore who thinks it looks awful, and this movie has to appeal to more than just them.

Nolan is just way out in left field with this design. But he took a risk o the batmobile and it was accepted so perhaps this would work. It could very well work in the movie but right now with just the stills I want the Joker to take a bath.

^^you make some good points. but the fact is that the joker needs to be frightening. he's the one enemy that truely scares batman(without toxins) and the way these movies have been set up so far, itll take a bit more to make the audience full comprehend that. add that to the way horror movies have evolved in recent years (hostel, saw) to make nasty looking things scary...and it makes sense that in order to make the joker terrifying...hes gross.

and besides that, we still havent seen much. not even a smile. for all we know he'll still crack lil jokes and have an intense laugh. i feel like this incarnation is perfect for the character. at least how the world is right now.

afterall, the only incarnation of the joker that truely gave me nightmares was the one featured in a serious house on serious earth. and guess which incarnation heath so closely resembles?

Is it me or does this "Joker" look familiar?

Ah, I remember.

bnone

Originally posted by atharpina
^^you make some good points. but the fact is that the joker needs to be frightening. he's the one enemy that truely scares batman(without toxins) and the way these movies have been set up so far, itll take a bit more to make the audience full comprehend that. add that to the way horror movies have evolved in recent years (hostel, saw) to make nasty looking things scary...and it makes sense that in order to make the joker terrifying...hes gross.

and besides that, we still havent seen much. not even a smile. for all we know he'll still crack lil jokes and have an intense laugh. i feel like this incarnation is perfect for the character. at least how the world is right now.

afterall, the only incarnation of the joker that truely gave me nightmares was the one featured in a serious house on serious earth. and guess which incarnation heath so closely resembles?

I dunno, I don't think the movie will be bad but Batman means so much to so many different people you kind of have to make it accessible to everyone which I think the first movie did in a sense but I don't know accessible this Joker will be if his looks are so disgusting they distract people. I find him distractingly gross looking.

EXACTLY. he's the worst of the worst! the joker is completely effed up. the theme they seem to be taking this time(as begins' theme was fear) is a theme of escalation. the synopsis of plot we've been given so far is that the joker comes in and enacts increasingly more brutal and dangerous crimes.

maybe his look is just a further reflection of that. ive seen some pics where his make up actually looks pretty clean, his hair looks relatively tame(albeit green), and his suit is very classy...purple, but smooth. then ive seen other pics where everything about him is absolutely nasty looking. maybe the joker just becomes increasingly nasty looking to a point of being distracting so that as his crimes get more brutal, the entire character becomes absolutly horrifying, you know?

what burton did in batman returns was take his already cartoonishly dark world and make it over the top. nolan's world is dark simply because of psychology.

Originally posted by Badabing
Is it me or does this "Joker" look familiar?

Ah, I remember.

bnone

From all the photos I have seen of The Joker from the movie that people have posted,we have yet to see that look from the first photo you posted.If he later on looks that way in the movie at some point and stays that way, well that will ease my fears about the look of the joker.But since nobody has posted any photos from the movie where he DOES look like that,Im beginning to think that was just a publicity stunt for the movie and he never looks that way. 😠 I hope Im wrong but I have yet to see anybody post any photos from the movie that proves otherwise that he ever has that look in the movie and only has the look from the second photo.

Just look at the pics that AST has in his sig.If he looks like that in the whole movie then I will be pissed.

Originally posted by SelinaAndBruce
I can't believe we are agreeing but yes exactly. When I was a kid I found Jack's Joker scary because even though he laughed and joked around he'd kill you in a second and not think twice.

The thing about the Joker is he looks kind of crazy and funny, he's a clown he looks whimsical in a way that's what's scary about him is that he looks silly and harmless or almost charming but he'd slit your throat just as soon as he'd do anything else. The Joker could still look like the old incarnations to an extent and have some darker elements but to me he just looks disgusting. Not like the Clown Prince of Crime, but like the Clown Prince of Mold and Stench.

I get and respect that Nolan is trying to do his own thing but he is going to do it to the point where he is going to alienate his audience beyond the hardcores. I've shown some of these pictures to just general fans of Batman, people who might not even have read a comic but like the character and they're like "What the hell is that?! Ewww!" The only people I see salivating over the new Joker overall is mostly the hardcore Batman fans, aside from me a hardcore who thinks it looks awful, and this movie has to appeal to more than just them.

Nolan is just way out in left field with this design. But he took a risk o the batmobile and it was accepted so perhaps this would work. It could very well work in the movie but right now with just the stills I want the Joker to take a bath.

Yeah the look of the joker in this movie and George Lucas doing that Luke and Leia thing in Jedi seem to be TWO issues here we agree on. 😄
It seems like everytime a director takes on a sequal to the first batman movie they mess up the villain. 😠 As much as Burton royally screwed up the batman movies as we have talked about before, 😄 at least he DID get the look of The Joker right with his hair neatly combed back like it should be.He messed up on the look of the penguin BIG TIME but he at least got the jokers look right.Cant understand why Nolan cant do the same. 😠 Yeah I know,in some of these photos he looks all dirty in the face which gives you the impression he is stinky.yeah with this movie he seems to be following down Burtons path of doing his own thing that he is going to alienate the hardcore fans.

Yeah thats what gives me hope is that he took a risk with the batmobile but people adjusted to it and accepted it but I just dont see the same thing happening here with the joker.It just seems to be one of those things that comicbook movie directors do at times for some stupid reason,make a change just for the sake of change with no sound reasoning behind it.They made some changes in Batman Begins that were different from the comics that I was able to accept and not complain about because they were reasonable for the most part and were actually improvements so the changes made sense.This change of changing the look of the joker though,I rank right up there with Burtons moronic look of the Penguin though. 😘 which I know we disagree on that one though.

actually I just read one of your previous posts and what you said about the penguin and oh my god! it seems you agree with me on THAT point as well? 😱 I am in shock. 😆

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Yeah the look of the joker in this movie and George Lucas doing that Luke and Leia thing in Jedi seem to be TWO issues here we agree on. 😄
It seems like everytime a director takes on a sequal to the first batman movie they mess up the villain. 😠 As much as Burton royally screwed up the batman movies as we have talked about before, 😄 at least he DID get the look of The Joker right with his hair neatly combed back like it should be.He messed up on the look of the penguin BIG TIME but he at least got the jokers look right.Cant understand why Nolan cant do the same. 😠 Yeah I know,in some of these photos he looks all dirty in the face which gives you the impression he is stinky.yeah with this movie he seems to be following down Burtons path of doing his own thing that he is going to alienate the hardcore fans.

Yeah thats what gives me hope is that he took a risk with the batmobile but people adjusted to it and accepted it but I just dont see the same thing happening here with the joker.It just seems to be one of those things that comicbook movie directors do at times for some stupid reason,make a change just for the sake of change with no sound reasoning behind it.They made some changes in Batman Begins that were different from the comics that I was able to accept and not complain about because they were reasonable for the most part and were actually improvements so the changes made sense.This change of changing the look of the joker though,I rank right up there with Burtons moronic look of the Penguin though. 😘 which I know we disagree on that one though.

actually I just read one of your previous posts and what you said about the penguin and oh my god! it seems you agree with me on THAT point as well? 😱 I am in shock. 😆

Like i said before I dunno about that look for the Joker. This Joker looks lowly, dirty and broke/poor. The Joker I've always known was sleek, confident has alot of, or at least had access to alot of money and well kept hair and make up that was always on well unless Batman beat the silly puddy outta him.

Maybe this is Joker's younger earlier version when he was a small time crook as oppose to a powerful gangster. I mean, these new Batman movies do take place around Batman's conception.

But it's ok cause I mean, Heath does afterall look like a "Batman Joker" anyway so. I still can't wait TDK and Heath.

Originally posted by SelinaAndBruce
As you can probably tell by my signature I am a huge Batman Returns fan it's my favorite film with his as a character but I know it's not accurate to the comic books in a lot of places and I defintiely see why fans did not like it and yes the Penguin was grotesque and hard to stomach for no reason. It was mostly Burton's vision with Bat characters plopped into it but I did think the themes he used were in line with themes that are prevalent in the Batverse and I enjoyed the intensity he brought to the Bruce/Selina Bats/Cat relationship in any event.

I should have guessed from your sig that was your favorite of the series. 😄

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Like i said before I dunno about that look for the Joker. This Joker looks lowly, dirty and broke/poor. The Joker I've always known was sleek, confident has alot of, or at least had access to alot of money and well kept hair and make up that was always on well unless Batman beat the silly puddy outta him.

Maybe this is Joker's younger earlier version when he was a small time crook as oppose to a powerful gangster. I mean, these new Batman movies do take place around Batman's conception.

But it's ok cause I mean, Heath does afterall look like a "Batman Joker" anyway so. I still can't wait TDK and Heath.

wow great points Fist.Thanks for coming on and sharing them.I could not have said it better myself. 👆 this joker does look lowly,dirty and broke poor.In some of these photos it looks like he really needs bath big time being all dirty on the face and everything,like he rolled his face around in the dirt just recently or something. 🙄

Like you said,the joker we have always known had access to lots of money and well kept hair so I just do not understand this look of the joker at all.Nolan seems to be headed down the same path that Burton took with Batman Returns where the look of the penguin was thr thing more than anything that ruined that movie for me and was a major factor in why I hate that movie the worst right up there with batman and robin. 😠

Heath Joker is ok with me...

It's definitely not the worst look, I just wish his face didn't look so "crusty" on the promo pics... Not a huge deal, and it helps with the realism, but it annoys me, that's all...

I still can't wait to see the film, though...

I could almost deal with it though if he didn't have the black circles and look so dirty. He looks like a kid that never bathes, who bought some green dye, clothes and make up from hot topic got wasted and put all that shit on. He literally looks a mess.

I like it.

Jack Nicholson = Suk.

He was playing himself.

His Joker was a goofy, creepy, fat old uncle type that you never hated or were scared of. You liked him, and his genius plan was to fistfight batman in a bell tower.

Nolan's batman rules, that is all.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I like it.

Jack Nicholson = Suk.

He was playing himself.

His Joker was a goofy, creepy, fat old uncle type that you never hated or were scared of. You liked him, and his genius plan was to fistfight batman in a bell tower.

Nolan's batman rules, that is all.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I like it.

Jack Nicholson = Suk.

He was playing himself.

His Joker was a goofy, creepy, fat old uncle type that you never hated or were scared of. You liked him, and his genius plan was to fistfight batman in a bell tower.

Nolan's batman rules, that is all.

agreed about Nicholsons Joker.I did not like Jack in that role at all.as you said,too goofy,fat and dont forget short uncle type and yeah Jack was just being Jack but hey,at LEAST Nicholsons Joker had the right look dammit. 😠 So Far Nolans Batman movie has ruled but I have my doubts about this next Batman movie being as good as Begins with the way Ledger is looking. 😠 It looks to me that I have to concede that Romero is still the one and only true Joker brought to the big screen by a live actor.

I liked Jack's Joker. *shrugs*

Originally posted by Mr Parker
wow great points Fist.Thanks for coming on and sharing them.I could not have said it better myself. 👆 this joker does look lowly,dirty and broke poor.In some of these photos it looks like he really needs bath big time being all dirty on the face and everything,like he rolled his face around in the dirt just recently or something. 🙄

Like you said,the joker we have always known had access to lots of money and well kept hair so I just do not understand this look of the joker at all.Nolan seems to be headed down the same path that Burton took with Batman Returns where the look of the penguin was thr thing more than anything that ruined that movie for me and was a major factor in why I hate that movie the worst right up there with batman and robin. 😠

I actually thought Penguin looked good in "Returns". DeVito did a good job with the role, too. But with Ledger's Joker we'll just have to see. The grungy look is something i can get used to and Ledger certainly sounds like a Joker and had a Joker-like voice when he said "Starting tonight, people will die..." as the Joker. Kinda sounded maniacal. The laugh was cool too.

And Heath's a good actor so he may pull the role off despite how shabby Nolan makes the Joker visually look. I just hope Joker's schemes aren't as decrepit.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I actually thought Penguin looked good in "Returns". DeVito did a good job with the role, too. But with Ledger's Joker we'll just have to see. The grungy look is something i can get used to and Ledger certainly sounds like a Joker and had a Joker-like voice when he said "Starting tonight, people will die..." as the Joker. Kinda sounded maniacal. The laugh was cool too.

And Heath's a good actor so he may pull the role off despite how shabby Nolan makes the Joker visually look. I just hope Joker's schemes aren't as decrepit.

Sorry but Devito was absolutely horrible in that role.Normally he is great in all his movies but he was just stupid in this movie.His line delivery was just horrible. as far as ledger,yeah I have a good feeling from the teaser trailer that he will have the personality of the joker,he certainly sounds joker like and like you said,has the perfect laugh and yeah maybe he will be so great in his role that we''ll forget about the grungy look.after all I wasnt thrilled with the look of the batmobile but the story and movie was so great that it made me forget about it and it was just an after thought.so hopefully Ledgers Joker will do the same thing.It just makes me so angry when a change is made to a comicbook movie that is unnessary like the look of joker and the look of penguin because even if I love the dark knight,I'll still know that it could have been even better with joker having the right look.

"I'd like to fill her void"

great freakin' line.