They fought twice, Superman won both times. Thats enough for me.
Sentry fought Hulk and lost. He was laid out and banner was still standing with still green glowing eyes and was the Hulk 5 minutes later stomping the Eastern Seaboard into the Ocean. He must not have been too weakened by the great sentry.
Again, I made a direct claim about Sentry. No claim about Superman's capability or lack thereof of destroying a planet.
Superman beats Sentry mainly b/c superman isnt a weak minded wuss like sentry. supes will fight anyone anytime (even if they are more powerful than him) and will win.
Originally posted by Old-Wizard.com
They fought twice, Superman won both times. Thats enough for me.
Sentry fought Hulk and lost. He was laid out and banner was still standing with still green glowing eyes and was the Hulk 5 minutes later stomping the Eastern Seaboard into the Ocean. He must not have been too weakened by the great sentry.
Again, I made a direct claim about Sentry. No claim about Superman's capability or lack thereof of destroying a planet.
Superman beats Sentry mainly b/c superman isnt a weak minded wuss like sentry. supes will fight anyone anytime (even if they are more powerful than him) and will win.
Originally posted by Old-Wizard.com
Sentry unleashed his full power against WWH and didn't even destroy Manhatten. I think it was hyperbole saying he would destroy the planet.
It's actually very simple. A person with the right conditioning can palm a brick into two. It does not mean in any way that every strike the person throws in an actual fight is expected to crack bricks in half. There are a lot of mitigating factors in a fight. Thus, no one can say that it was hyperbole, although Sentry did not cover himself in glory either.
Originally posted by Kutulu
[b]In a fight based on fan popularity that was non-canon. It was the same continuity of me drawing a fight on a napkin.Ok I agree with you here.
You made a direct claim about Sentry stating that since he didn't destroy the planet in their fight, that he couldn't destroy the planet in their fight, which is patently false. He has already destroyed planets on-panel in his fight with Genis.
Except when he lost against Henshaw, and they did less damage to the city than during the Sentry / WWH fight. [/B]
I should have said will win MOST OF THE TIME.
yes i did make a claim about sentry. i didnt read the fight with genis, though ive heard of it. were the planets he destroyed earth- sized? if so, then there is a majour inconsistency in the writing.
Originally posted by Old-Wizard.com
I should have said will win MOST OF THE TIME.yes i did make a claim about sentry. i didnt read the fight with genis, though ive heard of it. were the planets he destroyed earth- sized? if so, then there is a majour inconsistency in the writing.
Ok then going by your own logic, why did Superman Prime not destroy Earth when he fought with Sodam Yat / Ion? Since Green Lanterns that were weaker than Ion have destroyed planets before, and Superman Prime destroyed planets before with ease, in addition to moving them across the universe without the occupants even noticing, why didn't the Earth simply blow up during their fight? Explain to me this major inconsistency in the writing.
Originally posted by Ouallada
It's actually very simple. A person with the right conditioning can palm a brick into two. It does not mean in any way that every strike the person throws in an actual fight is expected to crack bricks in half. There are a lot of mitigating factors in a fight. Thus, no one can say that it was hyperbole, although Sentry did not cover himself in glory either.
Its more like the strength of a bomb. If the bomb is big enough to destroy hiroshima with its full blast, it should destroy a similar sized city also. sentry was tapped. he used all his power....ALL of it...thats why he reverted back to bob after the fight.
Originally posted by Old-Wizard.com
Its more like the strength of a bomb. If the bomb is big enough to destroy hiroshima with its full blast, it should destroy a similar sized city also. sentry was tapped. he used all his power....ALL of it...thats why he reverted back to bob after the fight.
Ok - you have yet to explain this so-called inconsistency in the writing, of when Superman Prime fought Ion / Sodam Yat. Both characters can easily destroy planets, both characters were going all-out, both characters were far more powerful than either WWH or Sentry. Why was less damage done to the city during their fight than WWH / Sentry? Please explain.
Originally posted by Kutulu
Ok show me then where Sentry directly attacked the planet during the WWH fight.
He didn't. Notice I said "Didn't even destroy Manhattan"
I didn't say he was trying to destroy the planet...though by Marvel's logic, he should have. (again, having unleashed his full destructive capabilities). at the very least, his energy output was supposedly insane, it wasn;t just going to the hulk, it was blwoing up buildings,etc. why wasnt the entire city flattened? why did normal humans, no more than a few miles away survive? at the very least it should have leveled nyc? even an a-bomb does that.
Originally posted by Old-Wizard.com
He didn't. Notice I said "Didn't even destroy Manhattan"I didn't say he was trying to destroy the planet...though by Marvel's logic, he should have. (again, having unleashed his full destructive capabilities). at the very least, his energy output was supposedly insane, it wasn;t just going to the hulk, it was blwoing up buildings,etc. why wasnt the entire city flattened? why did normal humans, no more than a few miles away survive? at the very least it should have leveled nyc? even an a-bomb does that.
Explain to me, how Sodam Yat / Ion, who can easily destroy a planet, and Superman Prime, who easily has destroyed planets already, both going all-out, did less damage to the surrounding area than the WWH / Sentry fight did.
I'll answer it for you, since you keep avoiding the question which exposes the weak link of your logic.
It is because they are using directed attacks.
If either WWH or Sentry directly attacked the planet it would have been busted. But guess what - they are superheroes. Not Supervillains. Superheroes. Sentry lost control of his powers but directed them all at the Hulk. Just like when Superman Prime and Ion fought, they directed their energies at each other.
Just like when Henshaw stomped the Sh!t out of Superman he directed his attacks at Superman.
That is why your points about Manhattan are false. Neither Hulk nor Sentry wanted to kill anybody. PERIOD.
Originally posted by Kutulu
Explain to me, how Sodam Yat / Ion, who can easily destroy a planet, and Superman Prime, who easily has destroyed planets already, both going all-out, did less damage to the surrounding area than the WWH / Sentry fight did.I'll answer it for you, since you keep avoiding the question which exposes the weak link of your logic.
It is because they are using directed attacks.
If either WWH or Sentry directly attacked the planet it would have been busted. But guess what - they are [b]superheroes
. Not Supervillains. Superheroes. Sentry lost control of his powers but directed them all at the Hulk. Just like when Superman Prime and Ion fought, they directed their energies at each other.Just like when Henshaw stomped the Sh!t out of Superman he directed his attacks at Superman.
That is why your points about Manhattan are false. Neither Hulk nor Sentry wanted to kill anybody. PERIOD. [/B]
Sentry didnt WANT to destroy it, but he wasnt in control. if he cared so much about being a hero why did he leave 10s of 1,000s of people homeless in a useless gesture against the hulk. again, this superman fight u bring up is irrelevant. im not talking about supes or even DC. im talking about Sentry. if sentry was so focused on the hulk, why was there energy bursts going in every direction, destroying building on the opposite side of the city from where the hulk was?
Originally posted by Old-Wizard.com
Sentry didnt WANT to destroy it, but he wasnt in control.
Was he was in control enough to direct his attacks at Hulk, yes or no??
if he cared so much about being a hero why did he leave 10s of 1,000s of people homeless in a useless gesture against the hulk.
again, this superman fight u bring up is irrelevant. im not talking about supes or even DC. im talking about Sentry. if sentry was so focused on the hulk, why was there energy bursts going in every direction, destroying building on the opposite side of the city from where the hulk was?
It is completely relevant to DC. You are being a complete hypocrite if you think it doesn't apply. The energy bursts were a side effect, just like when Supes fought Henshaw and the Statue of Liberty got smashed. You think Superman wanted to let the Statue of Liberty gets smashed? It got smashed as a side effect of their battle. Just like the WWH / Sentry fight.
Originally posted by Kutulu
Was he was in control enough to direct his attacks at Hulk, yes or no??Parts of the city being destroyed was a side effect of the fight. Both Hulk and Sentry have greater feats than destroying a mere planet. Sentry lost control over his damage output, but didn't lose control over who he was attacking. The city was already evacuated, so neither one was worried much about casualties.
It is completely relevant to DC. You are being a complete hypocrite if you think it doesn't apply. The energy bursts were a side effect, just like when Supes fought Henshaw and the Statue of Liberty got smashed. You think Superman wanted to let the Statue of Liberty gets smashed? It got smashed as a side effect of their battle. Just like the WWH / Sentry fight.
Again did i EVER say superman could destroy a planet? i never made that claim once. Weren;t people on the ground during the hulk fight thinking the earth would be destroyed during the fight? yes they were. was it? no, only a few building were destroyed. its quite a leap from that to destroying a city.
Originally posted by Kutulu
Explain to me, how Sodam Yat / Ion, who can easily destroy a planet, and Superman Prime, who easily has destroyed planets already, both going all-out, did less damage to the surrounding area than the WWH / Sentry fight did.I'll answer it for you, since you keep avoiding the question which exposes the weak link of your logic.
It is because they are using directed attacks.
If either WWH or Sentry directly attacked the planet it would have been busted. But guess what - they are [b]superheroes
. Not Supervillains. Superheroes. Sentry lost control of his powers but directed them all at the Hulk. Just like when Superman Prime and Ion fought, they directed their energies at each other.Just like when Henshaw stomped the Sh!t out of Superman he directed his attacks at Superman.
That is why your points about Manhattan are false. Neither Hulk nor Sentry wanted to kill anybody. PERIOD. [/B]
I agree with your logic because it answers many questions regarding characters power, and how they apply to their surroundings in a fight. However, in the case of Sentry vs WWH it does not. Yes SMP, Superman, and the Hulk all use direct attacks on their opponents which is why they dont destroy more than a couple city blocks, but Sentry in this fight was not releasing direct attacks. His assault appeared to be (at least in my eyes) omni-directional. Thus, his powers as described by Ben (He's releasing the power of a million exploding Suns) should have destroyed the entire planet. Now, if you can prove to me that his attack was marked directly at the Hulk, then ill give you the benefit of the doubt. Until then, im going to go by what i saw, and say it was an omni-directional assault, and probably poor writing that it didnt incinerate the planet.
Originally posted by Old-Wizard.com
Again did i EVER say superman could destroy a planet? i never made that claim once. Weren;t people on the ground during the hulk fight thinking the earth would be destroyed during the fight? yes they were. was it? no, only a few building were destroyed. its quite a leap from that to destroying a city.
The people on the ground were worried that the planet would be destroyed, but since Hulk and Sentry were directing their attacks towards each other it was not.
Your logic fails, just give up - I can cite so many more examples of planet busting characters go all out on each other and lose control without the planet being destroyed that it would fill up 10 pages. I used the specific example of Superman Prime vs. Sodam Yat since GL's can and have easily destroyed planets, and so has Superman Prime. Therefore it is pertinent to this discussion, since both characters were going all out.
You specifically said:
[i]
Originally posted by Old-Wizard.com[/i
]Sentry wasn't himself, he was unleashing his full power (to his own admission) and didnt even destroy Manhattan. Obviously destroying the earth is beyond his capabilities.
Originally posted by nimbus006
I agree with your logic because it answers many questions regarding characters power, and how they apply to their surroundings in a fight. However, in the case of Sentry vs WWH it does not. Yes SMP, Superman, and the Hulk all use direct attacks on their opponents which is why they dont destroy more than a couple city blocks, but Sentry in this fight was not releasing direct attacks. His assault appeared to be (at least in my eyes) omni-directional. Thus, his powers as described by Ben (He's releasing the power of a million exploding Suns) should have destroyed the entire planet. Now, if you can prove to me that his attack was marked directly at the Hulk, then ill give you the benefit of the doubt. Until then, im going to go by what i saw, and say it was an omni-directional assault, and probably poor writing that it didnt incinerate the planet.
Sentry's light powers were flailing about, but the majority of his power was directed at Hulk. The light tentacles (for lack of a better word) were side effects of the main event, not the main event itself.
Here are the scans, now you tell me did it look like Sentry was directing his attacks at the Hulk, or did he simply explode in all directions with no target?
