excuse me, orihime has neithr shinigami powers, nor zanpakuto nor hollow powrers and yet simply because her powers are SPIRITUAL in nature, she can adversely affect and attack all of them. same with chad, he is neither a shinigmai, nor hollow, nor has a zanpakuto. also, zanpakutos have been known to slice through both spiritual and physical things with ease in alll three realms, so your arhument doesnt hold.
its very typical to come up with baseless arguments like chakra =/= reitsu=/= ki hence no power level can be compared and no1 can attack any1 else. it is stupid to say the least. if you want feats, i can give you absolutely TONS of bleach feats which tell about the level of power, the mystical strength in attacks, speed, durability , mystical powers etc etc.
why dont people give hellsing feats the same way, its always like OMG ZOMG HE HAS HELL HOUNDS, HE SURVIVED AGAINST HELENA'S NAIL, HE CAN ONLY BE AFFECTED BY HOLY WEAPONS "EXCLUSIVELY" FOUND IN HELLSING VERSE, HE CANT EVEN BE AFFECTED BY HOLY WEAPONS {so nuthign can kill him }, HE HAS MANY SOULS SO NO1 CAN KILLL HIM, HE CAN TELEPORT SO NO1 CAN KILL HIM etc etc. where not even ONE feats is ever quoted.
why, simply because it is a well known fact that on a relative scale, the feats in hellsing NEVER really go beyond destroying a few rooms or a building at best. and wud never hold up to shounen feats in naruto, bleach, yuyu hakusho, inuyasha etc. nor wud they be even worth talking about against HERALD level beings{absolutely stupid to think that even a thousand alucards cud take on surfer}
zanpakut >>>>>>helena's nail. mid tier bleachers FAR outmatch top tier hellsing characters. alucard is cool, yes, but he isnt even close to what people make him out to be.
Originally posted by Violent2DopeWow i said they were both right in a way but i guess i have to make you look wrong with facts now quotes about zanpakutos. "However, each zanpakutō is imbued with a unique sentient spirit" another quote to prove it. "A zanpakutō spirit are part of its owner's soul" So no your wrong nice try.
Which is wrong. They have their own soul.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
why, simply because it is a well known fact that on a relative scale, the feats in hellsing NEVER really go beyond destroying a few rooms or a building at best. and wud never hold up to shounen feats in naruto, bleach, yuyu hakusho, inuyasha etc. nor wud they be even worth talking about against HERALD level beings{absolutely stupid to think that even a thousand alucards cud take on surfer}
collateral damage DOES NOT equal power
example: oh look. i set off a hundred packs of c4, and brought down an entire city block.
I must be stronger than goku!
You see the stupidity in the way you think ?.......probably not
And where did someone say alucard could clone himself ?
Originally posted by KazenjiI agree look at Ion vs Superman prime they barely knocked down a few grave stones or World War Hulk vs The Sentry they did almost nothing and all of them beat Bleach and Inuyasha characters in the power, Speed and destructive categories.
collateral damage DOES NOT equal powerexample: oh look. i set off a hundred packs of c4, and brought down an entire city block.
I must be stronger than goku!
You see the stupidity in the way you think ?.......probably not
And where did someone say alucard could clone himself ?
stupidity you say, for starters, goku can destroy planets so no, a few sity blocks means nuthing. and no, ion and superman have BOTH proven to be able to destroy planets and much more, ion cud potentially destroy the universe. so no, your parallel doesnt hold.
alucard characters have never EVER shown to do anything like that so you can not even assume sumthing like that. bleachers will mop the floor with them.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
stupidity you say, for starters, goku can destroy planets so no, a few sity blocks means nuthing. and no, ion and superman have BOTH proven to be able to destroy planets and much more, ion cud potentially destroy the universe. so no, your parallel doesnt hold.
Not what i was getting at
alucard characters have never EVER shown to do anything like that so you can not even assume sumthing like that. bleachers will mop the floor with them.
Still my example still applies....
And you do know most of ichigo powers only come from when he is holding his sword get rid of that and he's nothing.
^ no it does not. you are basing your example on the basic assumption that alucard COULD do it but rather chooses to use his power in directed ways which dont cause collateral damage. that wud be all well and good{as in the ion vs superman example} if alucard had EVER shown the ability to do that. fact is he has NEVER shown that level of ability, so you have nothing to base that assumption on and he shud not be taken to be on the level of people who can easily desimate city blocks etc.
otherwise i cud start making the argument that spike spiegal{bebop} has the power of goku but simply uses it in directed ways against other super powered humans so it dosnt seem to give off any evidence of super power when he is infact stronger than goku. it doesnt work, you have nuthing to support that point of view{UNLIKE people like superman etc}
and no, most of ichigo's powers dont come from the sword. he was battling average hollows since before rukia even showed up. he cud use spiritual find techniques that only shinigami captains cud use before he even had a sword. flash step is not dependant on his zanpakutu. and when he firts got his zanpakuto, it was nuthing more than a large hunk of steel with a sharp edge, he used his reitsu to damage hollows even then. t was only after having his sword broken that he contacted zengutsu and was unable to unloack his shikai. and even in hs shikai, he simply uses it to channel his reitsu. its only his bankai whch grants special powrs on him. and have you forgotten his inner hollow so soon. that thing alone is more powerful right now than his bankai.
Comparing spike spigel to goku now thats even more stupider then your shin akuma one...
Also Alucard has taken out an aircraft carrier with ease when it needed to be done if you remember that part
And now to what you have said about ichigo..
I'm guessing you mean the Visard powers in that case it doesnt mean nothing if he doesnt have Zengetsu and Bleach has shown first hand how helpless Ichigo is without his sword. Yeah, he has abilities that allow him to use his zanpakuto, and symbiotally use its power - but without the sword, he cant fight.
Ichigo has shown no talent in being able to use kidou, nor has he shown any ability in his visard form to use any hollow powers (such as cero) except to augment his bankai.
now, is an aircraft carrier = far more than a building ????? no. he hasnt shown the ability to do more, you shud go ahead his most amazing measureable feats in all categories and well see how he does against bleach feats.
no, he is a vizard BECAUSE he has hollow powers. his inner hollow is what im talking about, it doesnt require a zanpakuto. his cero and hand blades as well as inhuman strength and speed isnt dependant on zengetsu. sure he can ALSO use zengutsu but that is an extra. and you are compleytely avoiding what i sai earlier, he was fighting hollows before rukia even showed up, and initially his sword was nuthing more than a hunk of metal and the power was all his own and his abiityt to find others using his reitsu is sumthing only high level captains can do.
Technically there are three parts to a shinigami. The soul itself and the hollow form of that soul which eventually takes over in the end. The third is the Spirit of the Zanpakuto which is in actuality stated by the hollow a part of the Hollow and Ichigco. The hollow form of Ichigo states that its all based on who has the stronger "will" to control the body who takes over in the end. Zanpakuto therefore to the hollow is just a tool; most hollows as shown by the Arcannar actually combine with their Zanpakuto to attain greater power. Zanpatchi also proves that it really doesn't matter if you use your Zanpakuto or not. For a shinigami it is their strength (will/spirit power) that really cuts. That is why Azien is stronger then all of them; just using his fingers his strength is so much greater the knock-back is like cutting someone in half with a sword.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
no, he is a vizard BECAUSE he has hollow powers. his inner hollow is what im talking about, it doesnt require a zanpakuto. his cero and hand blades as well as inhuman strength and speed isnt dependant on zengetsu. sure he can ALSO use zengutsu but that is an extra. and you are compleytely avoiding what i sai earlier, he was fighting hollows before rukia even showed up, and initially his sword was nuthing more than a hunk of metal and the power was all his own and his abiityt to find others using his reitsu is sumthing only high level captains can do.
also, ichigo cant use cero when he is in control. the only time he's shown that he can do it, is when the hollow completely took over, and he became completely hollow.
Originally posted by iceman24567
He wasn't harmed to much by the nail of Christ because he was experimented on to reduce his weakness to holy weapons and your whole universe argument is irrelevant who says in Alucards universe zanpakutos can even effect Vampires? Have you seen them affect them in bleach? The fact that it did nail christ means a lot what is more powerful than the blood of our savior in the super natural world? Stop being dense about that all other arguments are debatable
but come on the nail of Christ.
You obviously know nothing of the bible. Or just a"i gave my life to christ" Unless stated in the manga that Jesus was trying to break free it didnt ever really bound him to the cross. So please. Eversingle statement I have read from you about this have been really misinformed and I feel highly disrespected by it on a religious stand point. So please. Read and understand before you start blabbing your mouth about things you seem not to understand about.
But back to the argument. Givin the fact that zanpakutous are spiritial weapons that have a spiritiaul presence with spirital energy. Ichigo should have more than enough power to kill Alucard. For one. You and the pro-allucard argument stated that its a thousands souls in one body. Wouldnt that mean they are just all gathered up. So one Getusu Would do the job obliterating them all at once. see it as a nuke. Yes it is a weapon. And theiir is a million of them. But it only takes one nuke to kill them all in the general area. Ichigo wins this in a curbstomp