Originally posted by Furion
Shadow had Chaos Control, i've never seen Sonic do it.
MArio wouldn't have a chance to find a powerup, Jak and Ratchet would blow Mario away
Then you never played Sonic Adventure 2 or Sonic the Hedgehog (2006). And Sonic would teleport Mario to a power-up before Jak or Ratchet would have a chance to do anything.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
Then you never played Sonic Adventure 2 or Sonic the Hedgehog (2006). And Sonic would teleport Mario to a power-up before Jak or Ratchet would have a chance to do anything.
can you provide proof that Sonic uses Chaos Control? Otherwise, his speed is nullified by Light Jak's slow time mode.
Not to mention all Ratchet has to do is toss a groovitron, and both Mario and Sonic are immobilized with the power of dance. Then Ratchet and Jak have a contest seeing which of their guns can splatter hedgehogs and italians more.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
How? Mario's stronger and more durable than both of them, and Sonic can move faster than their eyes can follow.What're they gonna do, shoot Mario? He [b]lifted a castle
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Sonic builds up speed. He couldn't blitz Jak, Daxter, Ratchet, AND Clank before any of them can do anything.
If Ratchet is allowed all his weapons, then he can solo this shit.
I'd like to see Mario survive a shot from the Mini-Nuke.
And I can't see Mario and Sonic surviving being sucked into a black hole, courtesy of Ratchets Omega Rift Ripper. It fires a black hole that also fires lightning at any other enemies.
And Ratchet is capable of an ABSOLUTE DEFENSE. When he uses his Titan Repulsor Field, or Ultra Shield Glove - which reflects any energy based attack, as well as sucks the life force out of any enemies and upping Ratchet's health.
Originally posted by Quincybut they're not blue, so they loose.
Sonic builds up speed. He couldn't blitz Jak, Daxter, Ratchet, AND Clank before any of them can do anything.If Ratchet is allowed all his weapons, then he can solo this shit.
I'd like to see Mario survive a shot from the Mini-Nuke.
And I can't see Mario and Sonic surviving being sucked into a black hole, courtesy of Ratchets Omega Rift Ripper. It fires a black hole that also fires lightning at any other enemies.
And Ratchet is capable of an ABSOLUTE DEFENSE. When he uses his Titan Repulsor Field, or Ultra Shield Glove - which reflects any energy based attack, as well as sucks the life force out of any enemies and upping Ratchet's health.
Ratchet would have to land a hit, he'd never hit Sonic and Mario could cape that back at him.
Sonic could blitz them regardless of having to build up speed, because once he's at that speed, they'll never stop him. Bullets/rockets won't do a damn thing to Mario who can hold a castle over his head, and the mini-nuke would probably send him into the air, only for him to land boots down on one of their heads. [We all know what happens when Mario jumps on someone.]
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Ratchet would have to land a hit, he'd never hit Sonic and Mario could cape that back at him.Sonic could blitz them regardless of having to build up speed, because once he's at that speed, they'll never stop him. Bullets/rockets won't do a damn thing to Mario who can hold a castle over his head, and the mini-nuke would probably send him into the air, only for him to land boots down on one of their heads. [We all know what happens when Mario jumps on someone.]
If only Ratchet had a gadget that would could hinder Sonic's movements....
Oh wait - he does. One toss with his acid bomb glove and it surrounds the whole area with corrosive acid. Sonic will have fun running around through that.
Then it's just a quick trigger from the Omega Rift Ripper ( thats a black hole shooter ) for the win.
Not to mention JAK'S own arsenal of power.
Jak can fire his Mass Inverter on his morph gun, causing a gravity shift that makes all his enemies float helplessly in the air.
Then he'll unleash the peace-maker. Or just fire an immense blast as he turns into Dark Jak.
BAM BABY
Originally posted by Quincy
If only Ratchet had a gadget that would could hinder Sonic's movements....Oh wait - he does. One toss with his acid bomb glove and it surrounds the whole area with corrosive acid. Sonic will have fun running around through that.
Then it's just a quick trigger from the Omega Rift Ripper ( thats a black hole shooter ) for the win.
Not to mention JAK'S own arsenal of power.
Jak can fire his Mass Inverter on his morph gun, causing a gravity shift that makes all his enemies float helplessly in the air.
Then he'll unleash the peace-maker. Or just fire an immense blast as he turns into Dark Jak.
BAM BABY
See the part where Sonic can literally wait for the acid to almost be touching him, then be behind Jak before he notices Sonic's not burning. [Also, Sonic can jump, lololol]. Then, gingerly insert a few quills into Jak's tender backside =P
Mario can cap teh rift thinger, and shooting actual black holes is problematic, as that'd eventually destroy the entire planet, voids are different, the physics involved are not nearly as extreme. It'd never even hit Sonic anyway.
Also, Sonic and Mario can both survive in space, Jak, Daxter, Ratchet, Clank.. Let's see them do that? Sonic kicks them to Mario, one at a time, and he tosses them through the atmosphere. Even if they survive the burn from that, they die in space.
Mario and Sonic got this. Mario throws Bowser around in 64 and can do a simple spin attack to send Bowser sliding across a planet in Galaxy. I don't know how much Bowser weighs, but he's huge.
Not to mention this topic grants him Boo Mario, making anything Ratchet can fire go right through him.
Sonic is super fast. That makes it really east to dodge pretty much everything Ratchet has.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
See the part where Sonic can literally wait for the acid to almost be touching him, then be behind Jak before he notices Sonic's not burning. [Also, Sonic can jump, lololol]. Then, gingerly insert a few quills into Jak's tender backside =P
I can't quite understand what you are trying to say. Are you saying that Sonic wouldn't be hurt by acid by jumping over it?
Right dude, Ratchet doesn't make "acid puddles" he ****ing sprays that shit all over. Sonic can't come into contact with any of them. Plus, it's tough for Sonic to go "super fast" when Jak uses his powers to SLOW DOWN TIME.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Mario can cap teh rift thinger, and shooting actual black holes is problematic, as that'd eventually destroy the entire planet, voids are different, the physics involved are not nearly as extreme. It'd never even hit Sonic anyway.
Eh...what? He can cap a vortex rift? Do you mean cape? Like, reflect it back?
It's not a solid object man.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Also, Sonic and Mario can both survive in space, Jak, Daxter, Ratchet, Clank.. Let's see them do that? Sonic kicks them to Mario, one at a time, and he tosses them through the atmosphere. Even if they survive the burn from that, they die in space.
I've never seen Mario throw somebody into space. And regardless, even if he tossed them high enough, they can FLY.
Who's to say they don't fight the whole match in the air, leaving Mario and Sonic down on the ground waving up at them.
Then Jak and Ratchet proceed to rape them violently with missiles and lasers and guns that transform them into penguins.
I can't quite understand what you are trying to say. Are you saying that Sonic wouldn't be hurt by acid by jumping over it?I'm saying Sonic's too fast for any amount of acidic spray to touch him, and slowing down time, in this case, simply isn't enough unless they can slow it down alot, as none of the four have feats that suggest super human reaction time. You said "Oh wait - he does. One toss with his acid bomb glove and it surrounds the whole area with corrosive acid. Sonic will have fun running around through that.", Sonic can jump. -.ORight dude, Ratchet doesn't make "acid puddles" he ****ing sprays that shit all over. Sonic can't come into contact with any of them. Plus, it's tough for Sonic to go "super fast" when Jak uses his powers to SLOW DOWN TIME.
Eh...what? He can cap a vortex rift? Do you mean cape? Like, reflect it back?I don't see how this applies to the cape. The rifter obviously has momentum, which the cape simply reverses.It's not a solid object man.
I've never seen Mario throw somebody into space. And regardless, even if he tossed them high enough, they can FLY.Mario can lift a castle over his head, throwing any of them into space would be easy, and after being thrown that hard, if they somehow generated enough force to reverse their own momentum, the G's would crush them into paste.Who's to say they don't fight the whole match in the air, leaving Mario and Sonic down on the ground waving up at them.
Then Jak and Ratchet proceed to rape them violently with missiles and lasers and guns that transform them into penguins.
Edit: I've changed my argument, Mario simply throws a bunch of pebbles/apples/buttons/tanks/Sonic at them. Once thrown, Sonic ricochets off of each of them, using the skills he learned in Sonic Pinball, killing them instantly.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I'm saying Sonic's too fast for any amount of acidic spray to touch him, and slowing down time, in this case, simply isn't enough unless they can slow it down alot, as none of the four have feats that suggest super human reaction time. You said "Oh wait - he does. One toss with his acid bomb glove and it surrounds the whole area with corrosive acid. Sonic will have fun running around through that.", Sonic can jump. -.O
Okay...Sonic can jump. Sweet.
How far can he jump?
And how is "slowing down time not enough" when the basis of your argument is that "Sonic is wicked fast!"
Jak Slows down time nullifies Sonic's speed.
New guys win.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I don't see how this applies to the cape. The rifter obviously has momentum, which the cape simply reverses.
Then Ratchet doesn't have to fire the rift directly at him. It'll still pull him into it. Lets say he fires it a yard to Mario's left.
New Guys Win.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Mario can lift a castle over his head, throwing any of them into space would be easy, and after being thrown that hard, if they somehow generated enough force to reverse their own momentum, the G's would crush them into paste.
I would like to see Mario get anywhere near the 4 of them before Jak pulls the trigger on his morph gun to change gravity.
Meanwhile Ratchet is firing off the Harbinger, and laying out a bunch of Repulsor fields and Tesla Barriers.
Oh and they are doing all this while flying.
New guys WIN.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Edit: I've changed my argument, Mario simply throws a bunch of pebbles/apples/buttons/tanks/Sonic at them. Once thrown, Sonic ricochets off of each of them, using the skills he learned in Sonic Pinball, killing them instantly.
See previous strategy.
Originally posted by King-Fingolfin
Light Jak Time Slow FTW. 131
This guy knows whats up.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
How much do you think a castle weighs?
Okay Mario is strong. I haven't disagreed with you on that.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I'll math how fast Mario can throw Sonic at them. No amount of time slowing, short of maybe freezing, will save them. Distance isn't an issue, Mario can throw Sonic as far as he needs to.
You do know that when Jak Slows down time, he isn't slowing it down by a second. He's slowing it WAYYYYY DOWN!
Even on the slight chance that sonic isn't moving like molasses, he STILL would only be moving as fast a normal person would, leaving Ratchet and Clank to own the **** out of them.
As far as Mario throwing Sonic to clear the distance, Ratchet would have already put up a giant defensive shield, meanwhile JAK RUINS GRAVITY and Mario and Sonic just float around.
How are you not getting that?
And let's say Mario DID throw Sonic at ALL FOUR people at once, they can be airborne. Sonic would be thrown in a straight line, while Jak and Ratchet are gliding around elegantly.
And blasting the blue hedgehog to mush.