Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I completely disagree Escape. We have the knowledge of Darth Vectivus who was a sith lord and yet he was called a very fair businessman. I don't argue that Revan wasn't corrupted, but I argue the fact that he still had that same goal of defending the republic from an outside threat.
Exactly what do we know about Vectivus? All we have are Lumiya's obviously biased accounts. Furthermore, for that analogy to work, you'd have to say that Vectivus was as steeped in the dark side as Revan.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Yea but now you are getting into levels of darkside immersion, sort of like a hierarchy. What is the point at which a dark side user gets corrupted? Are we to say someone like Ragnos was corrupted just because he had an uber mastery of the darkside?
Incorrect. You're arguing goals. I'm arguing methods. Revan's Machiavellian delusions that the ends justify the means are testament to his evil. When he joined the dark side, he was evil. This is incontrovertible. He was a murderer and a traitor. Adolf Hitler believed that he'd make the world better and stronger by removing the Jews from the face of the Earth. His goal was noble. Were his methods?
I don't see why there is an argument over this. Revan fell to the Dark Side, this has been verified. Now, I personally don't like the black and white laws that Lucas has given to Star Wars, but what I like doesn't matter for jack shit. It has been made clear by Lucas than one cannot can delve so deeply into the Dark Side without being corrupted.
Revan himself said it best is in own holocron.
Those who use the dark side are also bound to serve it. To understand this is to understand the underlying philosophy of the Sith.
-Revan's Holocron.
Odd words for a Sith Lord, most Sith seem to think that they control the Dark Side. Revan outright says that those who use the dark side are bound to serve it.
Now, granted the exact meaning of what Revan meant isn't very clear, but in my opinion is a mute point.
Revan started with good intentions and probably clung to those intentions even when he was at his darkest. Did it really change anything? No, not really.
I suppose what it comes down to is the definition of right and wrong, which can have 12 definitions for 12 different people. However, in the Star Wars universe it is fairly well documented that, Dark Side = bad and Light Side = good, with very little exception.
here's a thought i had the other day: Since we never seen any evidence of "The True Sith" Is it possible that Revan leaves the galaxy searching for the threat he feels coming? He feels it coming, thinks the only thing that can challenge him is other Sith, stronger than he, so he calls it the "True Sith" But what he is really sensing is the Vong?
When it comes to intergalatic travel. (they came from another, galaxy, right?) another two thousand years would not change their circumstances at all. They would still be in-transit, still searching for a home world. So if he was strong enough in the force, he might sense a threat of that magnitude even 2000 years before it arrived. what are the chances?
^ I would say not high at all because there was only one scouting ship in the galaxy by that time.(which Canderous scared off) I think the ship was gone from its home fleet for a long time and for a great distance seeing as how long it takes the vong to appear again. And the true sith were the ones that goaded the mandos. into attacking the republic. And I think I recall that the mandos. were not allowed to step foot on Malachor which is why Revan investigated and found evidence of the true sith(the trayus academy among the planet full of the darkside which the vong can't sense the force or wield it) and possibly of the star forge. Furthermore Revan knows what sith are (the ideal and probably the species) so why would not just call it invaders since the vong have no force connection.
So who are these true sith? and if that powerful, why do we never seen evidence. Some of the things that darth Traya says makes it sound like he was going to find beings that distorted the force, which could be intepreted as really strong in the force, OR, and this is what had me thinking about it: As someone who had no force connection, which would make it an anomaly.
Why Revan fell.
In the Old Republic book series, there's a book called "Revan", and inside— I don't know which page exactly— the book said that Revan was held captive by the emperor who murdered every organism on Nathema and every droid… even the The Force in the planet was destroyed.
When Revan escaped his cell, he returned as a Sith and a conquerer.