Originally posted by janus77
fair enough, I disagree with you on the Onslaught thing but it's opinion so no problem there.as for the Skyfather-level comment... Thor's Godblast/force obviously achieved nothing more than a negating of juggernaut's forward momentum, so maybe you're right there...
and War Hulk and WWH both did achieve that. War Hulk going much further (though WWH wasn't interested in taking out characters outside of the illuminati so can't make a complete comparison with War Hulk).
I think that's the key thing though, that juggernaut is just +hugely resistant+ to physical force. not invulnerable nor indestructible. he's tough but there are characters out there out there that are just as tough and can output enough physical force to put him down.
too many people take his bragging as being some sort of objective statement of his powerset "nothing can stop the juggernaut", which then leads to statements such as "galactus can't physically hurt juggernaut" (not by you obviously, but certain other posters).
Dont agree with none of this. It will always be juggernaut>hulk. Hulk has never in his entire career hurt the juggernaut but the same cant be said for the hulk.
Juggernaut has proven on more than 8 occassion to be completely invulnerable. The only true thing that actually ever penetrated his skin has only been magic, anything else aint nothing but a nuisance.
It has been stated on panel already that juggernaut is stronger than the hulk, dont ask for me to bring it up for you because you have seen it numerous of times arguing against a writer that stated this.
It has been stated in comics and on panel that juggernaut has unlimited strength. It has been stated on panel that juggernaut is completely invulnerable. It has been stated on panel that if the juggernaut dont change his ways he will be responsible for killing every being on the planet because of his unstoppable rampage. And also juggernaut is powered by one of the most powerful beings in the marvel universe next to galactus and thats cytorrak.
Everyone that juggernaut has fought has been nothing but a flee to him, including thor. The sad thing about it is that it takes teams to even bring him down and they never seem to accomplish injuring him, theyre only tactic ALWAYS is finding a telepath to bring him down instead of physically bringing him down.
The only time I can think of him actually being injured was when he fought the xforce and was stabbed in the eye by shatterstar but guess what, shatterstar possessed a magical sword. Another time I remember him being injured was when he fought thor and guess what, thor had to strip him of his power, so thor incaculable strength wasnt even enough to get the juggernauts attention. Another being that harmed the juggernaut was another magical being that stripped him of his flesh but guess what, juggernaut was still walking with a smile on his face and broke the guys neck.
Face the fact, juggernaut is invulnerable.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Sure he wouldn't. We already know that the juggernaut got physically bitched by onslaught. The same onslaught in physical form couldn't stand up to the hulk. Nuff said. -
Originally posted by Priest
The same Onslaught that was kicking the crap out of Thor, The Xmen, and the Advengers. Nuff Said. 🙂
Not to mention Cain was not a classic levels at the time.
Originally posted by carver9
It has been stated on panel already that juggernaut is stronger than the hulk, dont ask for me to bring it up for you because you have seen it numerous of times arguing against a writer that stated this.
It has been stated in comics and on panel that juggernaut has unlimited strength.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Wrong. It was the Ultraverse it self that weakened Cain and Sienna Blaze. I have the series thanks. Upon returning the 616, they are back to normal. It was the universe itself that depowered them.
Originally posted by PriestOrion's astro force has turned back UNIVERSAL destorying forces. He'll beat Juggy as he has no problem killing him.
How do u figure that he was returned to his normal classic levels?
anyways, this is Orion vs Juggernaut, u have yet to answer me how is Orion gonna beat Juggy, unless ur concluding that Orion is equals to Onslaught.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Orion's astro force has turned back UNIVERSAL destorying forces. He'll beat Juggy as he has no problem killing him.
Originally posted by PriestFirst of all, Orion, Working in the JLA must abide by thier rules. They do not kill. It's already established that he has to pull back on the blast as not to kill. You should know this, since you are trying to debate about Orion's power.
It failed to damage the General 😐
I don't feel like debating with you on this topic because it always seems like this would go around in circles.
If u provide feasible evidence on how the Orion may win, I'll get back to u. 🙂
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
First of all, Orion, Working in the JLA must abide by thier rules. They do not kill. It's already established that he has to pull back on the blast as not to kill. You should know this, since you are trying to debate about Orion's power.
Originally posted by Priestno. He used it in JKFW to turn back UNIVERSAL destroying forces. Either way, galaxy busting is enough to push back and kill juggy. Universal is over kill. And the AF was used on panel to help collapse a reality and push back the multiversal ALE being. All hyperbole?
the narration described the AF as galaxy busting, Orion was going all out 🙂
AF is all hyperbole my friend.