Originally posted by Alfheim
No its still a speed feat. 😐
Hardly, and as you claim is some sort of indication he could deal with Prime's speed? *snickers*
Originally posted by Alfheim
Give me a break! So what now we want to get into a debate about how much of a hard time they were having from a scale of 1 to 10. They have probably been through worse but landinng on your back getting thrown about, getting hit with a laser and going "arggghhh" does not equal a good time. 😐
Right, but your using that feat as a basis of Hulk's speed against Prime? Basically your implying then Hulk > Northstar in speed *snickers*
Originally posted by Alfheim
No no no no no no no1. I cant say for certain but since its a combot robot I would assume that its has been programmed to anticipate different battle scenerios. Somebody taps you on the shoulder while your beating up two guys what do you thinks going to happen next?
2. When the robot get hit int the face it was directly facing the Hulk. Do you need to be directly facing somebody to see they are throwing a punch? Are you serioulsy trying to tell me that if somebody was moving in slow motion and your turning around you couldnt duck before you face them directly.
1. Not much seeing as he was already winding up for a punch while the robot was turning. Also you can't say for certain as it was never stated as such.
2. He was winding up and getting ready to hit him while he was turning. So while he was turning, Hulk was ready to attack. You act like Hulk gave him time to think and process anything, which he didn't. Basically he took an unaware opponent of him actually being there, and some how equals a good speed feat? *snickers*. So I guess that means Hulk > Northstar in speed as he had no problem hitting him eh? Faulty logic especially comparing it to Prime who is vastly faster then all mentioned.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Whys that because he was getting beaten up? He was getting beaten up therefore its not a good showing?
No, because if we go by what Northstar has shown in the past hitting him would be a feat in itself. Such as he ran on land speeds faster them mach 17 while dodging cars and buildings
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Hardly, and as you claim is some sort of indication he could deal with Prime's speed? *snickers*
If you combine it with his other speed feats, yes, but this feat on its own does not do this it just gives an indication that hes fast. Anyway Hulk has better speed feats. To tell you the truth Superman Prime most likely as you said has insane speed feats for example he took on several Flashes. I think im just arguing that the Hulk inst slow.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Right, but your using that feat as a basis of Hulk's speed against Prime? Basically your implying then Hulk > Northstar in speed *snickers*
Well lets put it this way Hulk has fought people who can move faster than light. Hulk should actually be able to cope with Northstars speed if you look at some of his showings.
Originally posted by King_Mungi1. Not much seeing as he was already winding up for a punch while the robot was turning. Also you can't say for certain as it was never stated as such.
Maybe but just because its not certain doesnt mean its not a logical conlusion.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
2. He was winding up and getting ready to hit him while he was turning. So while he was turning, Hulk was ready to attack. You act like Hulk gave him time to think and process anything, which he didn't. Basically he took an unaware opponent of him actually being there, and some how equals a good speed feat? *snickers*.
Look read throught my post and then answer the question please. You have not done this at all.
Originally posted by Alfheim2. When the robot get hit int the face it was directly facing the Hulk. Do you need to be directly facing somebody to see they are throwing a punch? Are you serioulsy trying to tell me that if somebody was moving in slow motion and your turning around you couldnt duck before you face them directly.
Originally posted by AlfheimSo I guess that means Hulk > Northstar in speed as he had no problem hitting him eh?
No it doesnt actually but it shows Hulk is fast in this showing.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Faulty logic especially comparing it to Prime who is vastly faster then all mentioned.
Yeah your right I guess I just wanted to prove that the Hulk is fast.
Originally posted by Alfheim
No, because if we go by what Northstar has shown in the past hitting him would be a feat in itself. Such as he ran on land speeds faster them mach 17 while dodging cars and buildings
Exactly he was getting hit therefore its not a good indication of what Northstar can do. You have two options:
A: The robot was very fast because it was able to hit Northstar
Or
B: The robot was able to hit Northstar therefore we can assume that its not a good indication of what he can do.
You have made the assumption that its B. How many showings had that robot had? I think only one. If a character has only one showing you can only assume that character had to be fast because you have nothing to compare it to. If the robot had another showing were he had trouble catching much slower characters then you could have come to that conclusion.
Originally posted by Alfheim
If you combine it with his other speed feats, yes, but this feat on its own does not do this it just gives an indication that hes fast. Anyway Hulk has better speed feats. To tell you the truth Superman Prime most likely as you said has insane speed feats for example he took on several Flashes. I think im just arguing that the Hulk inst slow.
Hence why I said use his other speed feats, as this really isn't that impressive at all.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well lets put it this way Hulk has fought people who can move faster than light. Hulk should actually be able to cope with Northstars speed if you look at some of his showings.
*Snickers* and you believe they were going lightspeed when they fought? There's a difference between combat speed and traveling speed, when has the likes of Silver Surfer even use speed in his fights? Also no he really can't, as Savage Hulk could do nothing to Northstar in the past [pre his upgrade causing him to go faster].
Originally posted by Alfheim
Maybe but just because its not certain doesnt mean its not a logical conlusion.
What's more logical? Getting the robot off-guard [which he did] or the robot was fully aware of the Hulk, but didn't matter as the Hulk was so fast he had no problems hitting him when speedsters couldn't? Hmmm...a stretch I know.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Look read throught my post and then answer the question please. You have not done this at all.
*Snickers* and what question was that? Your making a lot of assumptions
Originally posted by Alfheim
No it doesnt actually but it shows Hulk is fast in this showing.
Fast enough to compare to Prime or even Northstar? Come on.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah your right I guess I just wanted to prove that the Hulk is fast.
He would be a snail compared to Prime.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Exactly he was getting hit therefore its not a good indication of what Northstar can do. You have two options:A: The robot was very fast because it was able to hit Northstar
Or
B: The robot was able to hit Northstar therefore we can assume that its not a good indication of what he can do.
You have made the assumption that its B. How many showings had that robot had? I think only one. If a character has only one showing you can only assume that character had to be fast because you have nothing to compare it to. If the robot had another showing were he had trouble catching much slower characters then you could have come to that conclusion.
Or simply the writer wanted to make the Hulk look good. Your implying Northstar < Hulk in speed as your claiming the robot was fully aware and had no excuses *snickers* So speedsters like northstar who have shown to zig zag between lightening bolts apparently doesn't have faster reflexes then professor Hulk? Errrrr...your losing points here. The most logical answer and what was shown was Hulk got the robot off-guard and then used the crack Nova created to destroy him. End topic.
Could you please do me favour could you please, read and comprehend the post please. I dont care what you think happened I just want you to do this simple thing.
Originally posted by Alfheim2. When the robot get hit int the face it was directly facing the Hulk. Do you need to be directly facing somebody to see they are throwing a punch? Are you serioulsy trying to tell me that if somebody was moving in slow motion and your turning around you couldnt duck before you face them directly.
Let's look at a list of who Hulk has fought and won against that can move faster than light:Thor - can swing his hammer at twice the speed of light, and fly FTL. Even though currently Thor has the higher win / loss ratio at the moment, a weaker form of the Hulk has taken him down before pre-WWH.
Gladiator - fast enough to catch a ship in Hyperspace that had a head start. Easily flies many times the speed of light, has shown speed blitzing before, such as here:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5560542and to those who think that Superman is vastly stronger than Hulk, here is an example of Gladiator's strength / speed, note how they are fighting at planet-crushing force and attacking in nanoseconds:
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gladiatorvshyperion033sd.jpg
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gladiatorvshyperion049nv.jpgThis is someone that Hulk beat to a pulp in just a few pages, less than his fight with Sentry.
In regards to Superman vibrating so fast, Hulk has defended against that before as well, when he trapped Vision inside of him. His body literally becomes dense enough to affect even pure energy.
Hulk has fought Hyperion as well, who was very fast and strong, another character similar to Superman:
http://img24.exs.cx/img24/2548/hulkhype27zg.jpg
http://img148.echo.cx/img148/162/hyperion1b6vt.jpgHe's won against Sentry, who as shown above can react in nanoseconds.
High Evolutionary why not as fast or strong as Superman was super durable in his armor, Hulk rips it to shreds like it's cotton:
http://img159.exs.cx/img159/3331/evolutionary29fu.jpg
http://img159.exs.cx/img159/3531/evolutionary39yq.jpgHulk has also defeated Hercules numerous times, who's strength and durability are on par with Thor's:
http://img24.exs.cx/img24/6620/hercules5zx.jpgPunches into WonderMan (showing that he could affect a phased Superman):
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=7264427Here's a scan showing that Hulk can in fact move very fast when he wants to:
As per Zeeder:
[QUOTE]
I’ll quote the source of the scan also, since Zeeder actually does the calculations of how fast Hulk’s speed is here:"The Hulk has banner's brain due to Modoks attacks. Modok has a virus. In order to make the antidote, the vials must be placed in a centrifuge for 40 hours at 40,000 rpm's.
You can buy a centrifuge online that does 6000 rpm and produces 6000 g's. The comic centrifuge would be doing about 12000 g's easily.
The Hulk does in 8 minutes, what the centrifuge would do in 40 hours. He would be producing 6 million 500 thousand(6,500,000) g's. His hands would have to vibrate at 1/9 the speed of light.
He does it with strength. He isn't even mad."
In regards to the people saying that Superman's heat vision was immeasurable, yet they could measure All Star Superman's strength, well put this into perspective:
In regards to the people saying Hulk is too slow to do anything:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=7091392
Hulk is a lot faster than people give him credit for here, and his accuracy combined with that is more than enough to keep up with top tier FTL brawlers.
Now let's take a look at the power difference of WWH versus the Hulk shown in the scans above.
This is what Sentry would be capable of doing to Hulk pre-WWH:
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/...idsentryfo0.jpg
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9804/voidhulkdq7.jpg
Now in WWH 5 we all see that Hulk defeats Sentry (or at the bare minimum the Hulk haters will say they stalemated, whatever). The point being is that in WWH #5 he was easily strong enough to resist a much more powerful attack by Sentry than what the Void did, and overcome it. So you can amplify the fights above by that much increased level of strength, cunning, and to an extent, speed.
Through this I have shown how Hulk has matched Marvel's equivilant of Superman type characters and defeated them. Whether you are a DC fan or not, Hulk has many times defeated characters that can bust planets, and that can move faster than light. The above battles, with the exception of Sentry, were all pre-WWH fights, where he was weaker than he was during WWH, especially at the end of #5 where his power was so overwhelming that had Sentry / Thor / Silver Surfer fought him at that point they would have gotten stomped even quicker.[/QUOTE]
Sorry not all it came out right its from a blocked thread.
Sooooooo...how did any of that really relate to what I was saying at all? Did I mention anything about Hulk vs. Superman? I was talking about a situation you took out of context.
2. When the robot get hit int the face it was directly facing the Hulk. Do you need to be directly facing somebody to see they are throwing a punch? Are you serioulsy trying to tell me that if somebody was moving in slow motion and your turning around you couldnt duck before you face them directly.
Here I'll make it simple for you using real life sitation, do you know why boxers and MMA fighters are constantly moving around? Because it's easier to dodge or step into attacks. If your flat footed, it makes it harder to evade attacks, and can make you take a harder punch as your taking the punchs full force. Now we see the robot turning around who wasn't even aware of the Hulk, wasn't even sure what he was doing and didn't have his guard up. It's not rocket science as Hulk clearly got him off-guard. Also are you trying to tell me the likes of Thor, Gladiator, etc. were all going lightspeed when they fought Hulk? *snickers* Guess that means Colossus has light speed reflexes too. Your still implying Hulk is/has faster/better reflexes then Northstar
Are you going to answer the question or not. Listen I dont care about what you think happened, im asking you to just read the question and answer it. Are you going to do it or not. Dont tell me about martial arts either I have done sparring you know, im not a martial arts expert but I have some experience so there no bloody point in giving me that example.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Also are you trying to tell me the likes of Thor, Gladiator were all going lightspeed when they fought Hulk? *snickers* Guess that means Colossus has light speed reflexes too
Possibly not but you didt read through the whole list did you? I mean theres a long example where somebody explains in detail how Hulk was able to move his hand at 1/9th the speed of light....you obvously didnt read it....what the point? What about the example of Jack of Hearts who is a herald level and is capable of lightspeed travel?
Originally posted by Alfheim
Are you going to answer the question or not. Listen I dont care about what you think happened, im asking you to just read the question and answer it. Are you going to do it or not. Dont tell me about martial arts either I have done sparring you know, im not a martial arts expert but I have some experience so there no bloody point in giving me that example.
WHAT QUESTION? and are you nuts? That's a perfect analogy for it as basically YOUR claiming the robot was fully prepared for that attack, but even as you said had no problem dodging attacks from Northstar and Nova. So basically YOU are implying Hulk is faster then the duo, when all the feat was he got the robot off-guard and used the damage Nova created to destroy the robot. How is it that hard to get?
Originally posted by Alfheim
Possibly not but you didt read through the whole list did you? I mean theres a long example where somebody explains in detail how Hulk was able to move his hand at 1/9th the speed of light....you obvously didnt read it....what the point? What about the example of Jack of Hearts who is a herald level and is capable of lightspeed travel?
Wasn't that actually redone recently [using proper equation] and it wasn't nearly as fast as that. It was still super fast, but not as fast as people originally suspected. Jack of Hearts has been tagged by streetlevel beings, middle-tier, etc. If your using him as a example I really wouldn't. You do know there is a difference between traveling speed and combat speed right?
Originally posted by King_Mungi
WHAT QUESTION? and are you nuts? That's a perfect analogy for it as basically YOUR claiming the robot was fully prepared for that attack, but even as you said had no problem dodging attacks from Northstar and Nova.
Ok iml asking you nicely. Please read the question and answer it....pretty please with sugar on top....ok?
Originally posted by King_Mungi
So basically YOU are implying Hulk is faster then the duo, when all the feat was he got the robot off-guard and used the damage Nova created to destroy the robot. How is it that hard to get?
NO IM NOT!!!!! This is what im saying if the Robot is capable of throwing Northstar and Nova about the robot has to be bloody fast...yes? Therefore even if you try to catch him off-guard you still have to god damn fast to do it, thats the point.
Hell how fast is Northstar and Nova to react to people like that you would see the world in slow motion. If the Hulk was punching at athletic speed the robot would percieve Hulks punch in slow motion.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Wasn't that actually redone recently [using proper equation] and it wasn't nearly as fast as that. It was still super fast, but not as fast as people originally suspected.
Well me show me it then
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Jack of Hearts has been tagged by streetlevel beings, middle-tier, etc. If your using him as a example I really wouldn't. You do know there is a difference between traveling speed and combat speed right?
Fair enough.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok iml asking you nicely. Please read the question and answer it....pretty please with sugar on top....ok?
I'm asking you what the question is, so thus...I don't know what your question is so how can I answer it? Honestly common sense goes a long way.
Originally posted by Alfheim
NO IM NOT!!!!! This is what im saying if the Robot is capable of throwing Northstar and Nova about the robot has to be bloody fast...yes? Therefore even if you try to catch him off-guard you still have to god damn fast to do it, thats the point.
So if I go up to Asafa Powell [world record holder] and he doesn't know I'm there, go over tap his should and lay him out with a punch while he is turning that makes me fast? Errr....?
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well me show me it then
Believe it was Soljer who redid it, but I will look for it
Originally posted by King_Mungi
I'm asking you what the question is, so thus...I don't know what your question is so how can I answer it? Honestly common sense goes a long way.
What the hell are you talking about, this is the third time I posted this question and your telling me about common sense.
Originally posted by Alfheim
2. When the robot get hit int the face it was directly facing the Hulk. Do you need to be directly facing somebody to see they are throwing a punch? Are you serioulsy trying to tell me that if somebody was moving in slow motion and your turning around you couldnt duck before you face them directly.
Originally posted by Alfheim
So if I go up to Asafa Powell [world record holder] and he doesn't know I'm there, go over tap his should and lay him out with a punch while he is turning that makes me fast? Errr....?
Why are you comparing Asafa Powell to a robot that was throwing Northstar and Nova about like ragdolls? No replace Asafa Powell with that robot...ok?
Originally posted by AlfheimBelieve it was Soljer who redid it, but I will look for it
At any rate he was in a calm state.
Originally posted by Alfheim
What the hell are you talking about, this is the third time I posted this question and your telling me about common sense.
That? I already answered that several times.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Why are you comparing Asafa Powell to a robot that was throwing Northstar and Nova about like ragdolls? No replace Asafa Powell with that robot...ok?
Wow and you missed the entire point of that example.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
That? I already answered that several times.
No you didnt. Instead of answering the question what you did is keep repeating to me your intepretation of what happened.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Wow and you missed the entire point of that example.
The example is crap! The situation applies to a creature that has amazing reflexes even if you get it by suprise you still have to be fast, thats what your not getting into your head.
You read X-factor? Did you read the issue were Quicksilver said he percieved the world in slow motion, you really think if me and you tapped him in the shoulder we would be able to punch him? Hell hed ducked the punch anyway because we would be so slow. Clearly you would have to still be vary fast to do it.
Im not saying that Hulk is as fast as Northstar im saying looking at the performance of the robot you still have to be fast to tag it even if you get it by suprise.
Originally posted by Alfheim
No you didnt. Instead of answering the question what you did is keep repeating to me your intepretation of what happened.
No I explained it with different examples, which you couldn't grasp
Originally posted by Alfheim
The example is crap! The situation applies to a creature that has amazing reflexes even if you get it by suprise you still have to be fast, thats what your not getting into your head.You read X-factor? Did you read the issue were Quicksilver said he percieved the world in slow motion, you really think if me and you tapped him in the shoulder we would be able to punch him? Hell hed ducked the punch anyway because we would be so slow. Clearly you would have to still be vary fast to do it.
Im not saying that Hulk is as fast as Northstar im saying looking at the performance of the robot you still have to be fast to tag it even if you get it by suprise.
*Snickers* No you wouldn't if you didn't know the person was there already setting up for a punch while your turning around. Your assuming he has lightspeed reflexes, which he doesn't. You assume he was in defensive mode, which he wasn't. You assume, Hulk's reflexes are somehow faster then Northstar [as you seem to think he should have easily dodged it] seeing as how easy he hit him, which he isn't
Oh ok so I guess that means the robot sees the world in slow motion too? Not even Northstar has said he sees the world in slow motion, but if QS can everyone else must be able to. He didn't even have time to do anything while he was turning around he got punched. It was a flippin sucker punch, but somehow equals a fair hit? *snickers* Ooooook.
He sneak attacked him 😕 , lordy lordy. Even people with the likes of Wolverine have tagged Northstar from a sneak attack, but does that mean he is anywhere near as fast as him? No.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
No I explained it with different examples, which you couldn't grasp
No you didnt. ❌ The irony is that I understood exactly what you were saying. What you dont get is that it dindt answer the question. If I say to you what would happen if you bang your head against a brick wall and your response is " I wouldnt bang my head against a brick wall".....that is not answering the question that is you dodging the question.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
*Snickers* No you wouldn't if you didn't know the person was there already setting up for a punch while your turning around. Your assuming he has lightspeed reflexes, which he doesn't. You assume he was in defensive mode, which he wasn't. You assume, Hulk's reflexes are somehow faster then Northstar [as you seem to think he should have easily dodged it] seeing as how easy he hit him, which he isn't
Do you need to be facing a person directly to see they are throwing a punch?????????
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Oh ok so I guess that means the robot sees the world in slow motion too? Not even Northstar has said he sees the world in slow motion, but if QS can everyone else must be able to. He didn't even have time to do anything while he was turning around he got punched. It was a flippin sucker punch, but somehow equals a fair hit? *snickers* Ooooook.
He hasnt said that by how the hell do you think he dodges bolts of lightning and do the **** he does. You cant do Northstars feats and have the same perception of time that we do. Quicksilver sees the world in slow motion because hes reflexes are so fast....that the whole bloody point! The faster your reflexes are the slower the world is......good grief!
Originally posted by Alfheim
No you didnt. ❌ The irony is that I understood exactly what you were saying. What you dont get is that it dindt answer the question. If I say to you what would happen if you bang your head against a brick wall and your response is " I wouldnt bang my head against a brick wall".....that is not answering the question that is you dodging the question.
Haha alright then, so basically I gave multiple reasons which you didn't like as you earlier took the fight out of context so you can use it as a proper guage of Hulk's speed? Oh yes, I'm being the irrational one here. The robot was simply caught off guard, is it really a speed feat? No, because if that were the case Wolverine would be much faster then Quicksilver and Northstar
Originally posted by Alfheim
Do you need to be facing a person directly to see they are throwing a punch?????????
*snickers* Soon as he was facing Hulk, he already hit the robot. Northstar was directly Wolverine but he still got killed. Sooooo Wolverine > Northstar [speed]
Originally posted by Alfheim
He hasnt said that by how the hell do you think he dodges bolts of lightning and do the **** he does. You cant do Northstars feats and have the same perception of time that we do. Quicksilver sees the world in slow motion because hes reflexes are so fast....that the whole bloody point! The faster your reflexes are the slower the world is......good grief!
Because he has hightened reflexes, doesn't mean he sees the world in slow motion it means he can react to what he sees quicker then whatever else can. Actually that's horribly incorrect, as now your going into something else which isn't reflexes but almost pre-cognitive powers as the world is slowed down which isn't about reflexes. As reflexes is reacting quickly to an eternal stimuli in real time, not seeing the world in slow motion.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Haha alright then, so basically I gave multiple reasons which you didn't like as you earlier took the fight out of context so you can use it as a proper guage of Hulk's speed? Oh yes, I'm being the irrational one here. The robot was simply caught off guard, is it really a speed feat? No, because if that were the case Wolverine would be much faster then Quicksilver and Northstar
*sigh*
Not answering the question
A: Do you need to be facing somebody directly to see they are throwing a punch?
B: He got blindsided
Answering the question
A: Do you need to be facing somebody directly to see they are throwing a punch?
B: (Yes or no answer)
Originally posted by King_Mungi
*snickers* Soon as he was facing Hulk, he already hit the robot.
No he hadnt hit the robot already....he waited for it to turn around fully...then punched it...
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Northstar was directly Wolverine but he still got killed. Sooooo Wolverine > Northstar [speed]
No its just a low showing. Quicksilver has been hit by Hulk but hes made himself invisible thorugh speed as well. you know im not arguing that Hulk is faster than Northstar and im just saying that Hulk is damn fast.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Because he has hightened reflexes, doesn't mean he sees the world in slow motion it means he can react to what he sees quicker then whatever else can. Actually that's horribly incorrect, as now your going into something else which isn't reflexes but almost post-cognitive powers as the world is slowed down which isn't about reflexes. As reflexes is reacting quickly to an eternal stimuli in real time, not seeing the world in slow motion.
How does he do it? So what your telling me is that Northstar percieves the world like you and me but can move at mach 17 and still avoid people?
Originally posted by Alfheim
*sigh*Not answering the question
A: Do you need to be facing somebody directly to see they are throwing a punch?
B: He got blindsidedAnswering the question
A: Do you need to be facing somebody directly to see they are throwing a punch?
B: (Yes or no answer)
Of course you can hit someone facing them, what your missing is the context of it, which isn't suprizing. He literally did get blindsided as shown in the scans. That's the answer, which I have said many times already.
Originally posted by Alfheim
No he hadnt hit the robot already....he waited for it to turn around fully...then punched it...
What? While he was turning Hulk was swinging his punch so when the robot fully turned out facing Hulk all he got was a faceful of knuckle and then used the damage Nova caused to destroy the robot.
Originally posted by Alfheim
No its just a low showing. Quicksilver has been hit by Hulk but hes made himself invisible thorugh speed as well. you know im not arguing that Hulk is faster than Northstar and im just saying that Hulk is damn fast.
and yet multiple times Wolverine has tagged QS, same with Spider-Man tagging QS & Speed-Demon doesn't make them faster then the speedsters. As even Captain America/Wolverine/Daredevil/basically any peak human has tagged Spider-Man in the past doesn't mean their superhumanly fast. I never said he was slow, but compared to Prime? Yeah he definetly is.
Originally posted by Alfheim
How does he do it? So what your telling me is that Northstar percieves the world like you and me but can move at mach 17 and still avoid people?
His real-time reaction is amazing and that's what was said, even Captain America can "see" bullets in slow motion doesn't mean he can do the same things Northstar/Quicksilver can.
