Originally posted by janus77
where? when?
scans?might be the context, Surfer's powers have been up and down like most marvel characters.
I still can't buy that Surfer < Thor stuff 😐.
Surfer can be as powerful - as hideously powerful - as he wants to be, just by absorbing any energies in the vicinity (or from the cosmos ala PC).oh and on topic, Galactus FTW.
In their first encounter.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/ThorvsSurferfirstbattle8.jpg
He also admits Thor his superior in strength.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/ThorvsSurferfirstbattle10.jpg
It wasn't. 🙂
I can. Their showing against one another prove as much.
Galactus loses.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The only thing that gives me pause is this. Can the Light of Heaven attack take an abstract.......?
probably not...at least not galactus. Big G has no real soul to attack/manipulate...that's why mephisto couldn't really do jack (in terms of manipulating galactus' soul, etc.)
also, galactus is beyond the power of the Soul Gem...with those factors in mind i'd say he withstands the attack from asmodel. of course big g has been driven insane before...but that was due to his diet at the time. and food>>>>>>all concerns for big g.
Originally posted by janus77
where? when?
scans?might be the context, Surfer's powers have been up and down like most marvel characters.
I still can't buy that Surfer < Thor stuff 😐.
Surfer can be as powerful - as hideously powerful - as he wants to be, just by absorbing any energies in the vicinity (or from the cosmos ala PC).oh and on topic, Galactus FTW.
not only that, but loki was augmenting the surfer's powers and said, he felt more powerful than he had ever been.
Originally posted by Tenebrous
probably not...at least not galactus. Big G has no real soul to attack/manipulate...that's why mephisto couldn't really do jack (in terms of manipulating galactus' soul, etc.)also, galactus is beyond the power of the Soul Gem...with those factors in mind i'd say he withstands the attack from asmodel. of course big g has been driven insane before...but that was due to his diet at the time. and food>>>>>>all concerns for big g.
Mephisto needs some kind of cooperation to have any affect on someone's soul. If they are strong enough..even humans can overcome Mephisto. To Meph..it's mostly a game.
Galan does have feelings about what he has to do but he hides them well with his place in the cosmic hierarchy. If what he's done (murdering billions) is something that is considered evil by the presences law...then the attack would work. Especially considering that as powerful as Galactus is..he's still a mortal being..DNA and all. This is something that Odin shares.
A combination godblast attack from Odin and Light of heaven, or angelic scream from Asmodel should take care of Galactus. Galan shouldn't even be able to hurt him as long as he isn't in a flesh suit. The fact that the guys body is powerful enough to house blood that is a universal solvent that can destroy anything is testament to the angels power and durability.
That and the fact that since Azzy is far older than Galan and being a war angel would know all and any weakness...where magic is something Galan hates to deal with...Odin and Azzy have it in spades.
Originally posted by Old-Wizard.com
not only that, but loki was augmenting the surfer's powers and said, he felt more powerful than he had ever been.
imo, and given some of the shoddy things that happen to him whilst on Earth, he is vastly underpowered, Loki's machinations don't make him anywhere near pre-banishment powers, let alone the awesome heights of his post reconciliation self.
Originally posted by janus77
that still doesn't really make up for what he lost as a result of being banished to the Earth and separated from the limitless amounts of PC he usually absorbs.imo, and given some of the shoddy things that happen to him whilst on Earth, he is vastly underpowered, Loki's machinations don't make him anywhere near pre-banishment powers, let alone the awesome heights of his post reconciliation self.
I realize that, but surfer said more powerful than "I have EVER felt"
Originally posted by AvlonIve seen angels get oneshotted before. Asmodel although powerful would outright get raped by Galactus. Hes down rather quickly while Odin is the next to fall.
Mephisto needs some kind of cooperation to have any affect on someone's soul. If they are strong enough..even humans can overcome Mephisto. To Meph..it's mostly a game.Galan does have feelings about what he has to do but he hides them well with his place in the cosmic hierarchy. If what he's done (murdering billions) is something that is considered evil by the presences law...then the attack would work. Especially considering that as powerful as Galactus is..he's still a mortal being..DNA and all. This is something that Odin shares.
A combination godblast attack from Odin and Light of heaven, or angelic scream from Asmodel should take care of Galactus. Galan shouldn't even be able to hurt him as long as he isn't in a flesh suit. The fact that the guys body is powerful enough to house blood that is a universal solvent that can destroy anything is testament to the angels power and durability.
That and the fact that since Azzy is far older than Galan and being a war angel would know all and any weakness...where magic is something Galan hates to deal with...Odin and Azzy have it in spades.
Originally posted by Old-Wizard.com
I realize that, but surfer said more powerful than "I have EVER felt"
the other one is a reiteration of that, just saying that Thor is a lot stronger than he thought and he's surprised that Thor didn't direct it offensively at him.
neither of the above actually suggests Thor > Surfer really.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ive seen angels get oneshotted before. Asmodel although powerful would outright get raped by Galactus. Hes down rather quickly while Odin is the next to fall.
I've seen cosmics 1 shotted before as well.
Angels are to Asmodel what heralds are to galactus or an average asgardian is to Odin.
Originally posted by AvlonBut Asmodels replacment got oneshotted. Angles in dc arent anything great. Anything Asmodel accomplished in heaven was due to an army and Nerons help. Afterwards he took over the spectre so it wasnt his power that reekd havoc on earth.
I've seen cosmics 1 shotted before as well.Angels are to Asmodel what heralds are to galactus or an average asgardian is to Odin.
Originally posted by janus77
hmm, not in the two scans above.
in one he mentions that his "Cosmic Force" isn't strong enough to withstand mjolnir, which isn't the same thing as Mjolnir/Thor > PC/Surfer, just more a statement of his, then present, condition.the other one is a reiteration of that, just saying that Thor is a lot stronger than he thought and he's surprised that Thor didn't direct it offensively at him.
neither of the above actually suggests Thor > Surfer really.
He says it. I'll post it if necessary. BTW, Asgard remains in an entirely different real than earth.
In two instances he mentions Thor's superiority. With Mjolnir in comparison to the PC, and in strength.
He claims Thor to be stronger than he, as in Surfer could ever know, but chose to hold back.
I don't know why not. Two direct statements admitting Thor's superiority while having his power agumented by Loki's, but if that isn't enough. Is this?
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/SilverS15.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/SilverS16.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/SilverS17.jpg
Anyways, as Avlon said. The duo wins.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ive seen angels get oneshotted before. Asmodel although powerful would outright get raped by Galactus. Hes down rather quickly while Odin is the next to fall.
I've seen Galactus one shotted as well. In fact it was done by Odin's son. I recall Galactus claiming the attack nearly killed him.....
Originally posted by Larceny
He says it. I'll post it if necessary. BTW, Asgard remains in an entirely different real than earth.In two instances he mentions Thor's superiority. With Mjolnir in comparison to the PC, and in strength.
He claims Thor to be stronger than he, as in Surfer could ever know, but chose to hold back.
I don't know why not. Two direct statements admitting Thor's superiority while having his power agumented by Loki's, but if that isn't enough. Is this?
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/SilverS15.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/SilverS16.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/SilverS17.jpgAnyways, as Avlon said. The duo wins.
Surfer getting beat isn't a new concept to me, it's one of the more unedifying things about taking an interest in his adventures... he gets his arse handed to him a lot, because he rarely fights smart and never ever cuts lose or even close to it. he's a pacifist.
the statements in the first two scans are not conclusive nor without vagueness. they do not necessarily imply - nevermind state - what you are suggesting.
I am yet to be convinced of the Thor > Surfer idea.
Originally posted by quanchi112
But Asmodels replacment got oneshotted. Angles in dc arent anything great. Anything Asmodel accomplished in heaven was due to an army and Nerons help. Afterwards he took over the spectre so it wasnt his power that reekd havoc on earth.
You said it yourself...that wasn't Asmodel.
Azzy was in the front lines and ran through everyone effortlessly until he got pwned by the presence.
Galan and his heralds would have gotten pwned in heaven.
Originally posted by janus77
what were those scans for?
😕Surfer getting beat isn't a new concept to me, it's one of the more unedifying things about taking an interest in his adventures... he gets his arse handed to him a lot, because he rarely fights smart and never ever cuts lose or even close to it. he's a pacifist.
the statements in the first two scans are not conclusive nor without vagueness. they do not necessarily imply - nevermind state - what you are suggesting.
I am yet to be convinced of the Thor > Surfer idea.
Further proof that Thor is Surfer's superior.
Which could also be said about Thor. However that fact remains that in direct combat Thor is depicted as Surfer's superior. That and in combat against above top tiers.
I suggest exactly what eh comic states. Nothing more, nothing less. According to Surfer's own word, Mjolnir is his portion of the PC's superior. His power source is inferior to Thor's.
If you chose to ignore the obvious be my guest.
🙂
Originally posted by AvlonDc heaven aint shit to conquer. Asmodel stormed through heaven and had a huge ass army with him. Neron played him for the fool he was.
You said it yourself...that wasn't Asmodel.Azzy was in the front lines and ran through everyone effortlessly until he got pwned by the presence.
Galan and his heralds would have gotten pwned in heaven.
Galactus and his heralds would crush heavens forces.
