Originally posted by NateGreySummersWasn't he stated to have used *all* of his concentration for that feat? I doubt he can pull of the same move against yoda seeing he needed every spec of focusing to accomplish that feat.
Force combat - Mace Windu has actually displayed greater power with the force (most notably levitating about a hundred tonnes of rock), and has no qualms with using the force lethally.
He's not saying Mace would be able to do that against Yoda, he is merely pointing out what he is capable of doing with the Force.
Though, if Mace was able to do such feat, then I am sure Yoda also is. Yoda is the superior Force-user of the two and the superior fighter in general. There is nothing suggesting otherwise.
Originally posted by Gideon
No, sorry. It creates a "superconducting loop" of the dark side. Ergo, in order for Mace to really give into the nature of Vaapad, his opponent must be insidious and dark in nature, which Yoda is not.No, Yoda is superior. Mace will not be able to utilize Vaapad to its fullest extent against Yoda, who is faster and knows all seven forms. He wins.
No, he wouldn't need to necessarily feed of dark energy from Yoda - Vapaad's first core tenent is using the dark energy within yourself to fuel your attacks and defenses.
Yoda wouldn't have to be dark for Vapaad to work completely against him.
I don't know, If this is Mace after he managed to beat Sidious, I see a small margin of possible victory against Yoda.
The other guy was right, Mace could beat Sidious - Yoda couldn't.
So who's really better?
Originally posted by Master_Starbuck
No, he wouldn't need to necessarily feed of dark energy from Yoda - Vapaad's first core tenent is using the dark energy within yourself to fuel your attacks and defenses.Yoda wouldn't have to be dark for Vapaad to work completely against him.
I don't know, If this is Mace after he managed to beat Sidious, I see a small margin of possible victory against Yoda.
The other guy was right, Mace could beat Sidious - Yoda couldn't.
So who's really better?
yoda wins, but i agree with your opinion of vapaad. Read shatterpoint as a source. it uses the dark side within the user, NOT their opponent.
Originally posted by Master_Starbuck
No, he wouldn't need to necessarily feed of dark energy from Yoda - Vapaad's first core tenent is using the dark energy within yourself to fuel your attacks and defenses.Yoda wouldn't have to be dark for Vapaad to work completely against him.
I don't know, If this is Mace after he managed to beat Sidious, I see a small margin of possible victory against Yoda.
The other guy was right, Mace could beat Sidious - Yoda couldn't.
So who's really better?
Yoda wins, ask yourself this, of the 2 duels in ROTS, Mace against Sidious and Yoda against Sidious, which fight would have been harder to win if you were Sidious's opponent? Imagine Mace trying to dodge senate pods for example, I don't think he would have faired too well. For me those duels came down to environment, if Yoda had been in Mace's position, I believe you would have seen the same result,(Yoda with his lightsaber in Sidious's face as Anakin enters the room), however if Mace would have been in Yoda's position, and would have had to face Sidious in the senate chamber "alone", I believe Mace would been dead, because the environment was much more difficult to deal with. And also In the Yoda and Sidious battle, it's not as if Yoda "lost" the duel, it all came down to a lightning explosion that separated the two, if not for that, it's quite likely Yoda would have ended up winning the duel, as he was beginning to overcome Sidious's lightning.
Originally posted by Kazenji
I allways thought Yoda was better then Mace when it came to using the force but when it came to fighting with the saber Mace takes that.
i think yoda was slightly above mace in both areas of combat to be honest. Part of my reasoning is simply how small and agile Yoda was, a much smaller target for an enemy to hit with his lightsaber. i agree with wolfpacks's post though: if Yoda had fought sidious in his office like mace did, yoda woulda killed him too. he wouldn't have tried to arrest him like mace did. Or maybe he would have tried to catch Sidious's lightning in his hands, and been "exploded" out the window....