Originally posted by Battlehammer
...........but he was snagging them........
What are you talking about?
are you fing kidding me. He aimed them so perfectly they went into one of his emmies.........
Are you sure you posted the right scan?
darts shot out of a gun............not to mention an advance gun...........
They're darts.
That makes the gun...
Ready for this?
A dart gun.
please you bias hatered is rediculous.
You post Wolverine waving his hand in front of a dart gun as your example of Wolverine "being faster than bullets" and I'm supposed to be the biased one.
Originally posted by KK the Great
What are you talking about?
Originally posted by KK the Great
Are you sure you posted the right scan??
Originally posted by KK the Great
They're darts.That makes the gun...
Ready for this?
A dart gun.
Originally posted by KK the Great
You post Wolverine waving his hand in front of a dart gun as your example of Wolverine "being faster than bullets" and I'm supposed to be the biased one.
your acting like it such an easy feat...........ecpt for the fact it would reguire one to have beyond bullet speed reflects and amazing skill to preform such an feat
Originally posted by Battlehammer
He deflect each one of the darts..........yes there simply a second aprt, but I don't have the scann. In the next scann you see that Logan deflect them perfectly into one of the enemies.
.........which is still a gun..........and as stated a an advanced gun.........made by a guy who has very advance technology.........
........yes you are.
your acting like it such an easy feat...........ecpt for the fact it would reguire one to have beyond bullet speed reflects and amazing skill to preform such an feat
Speed of a dart =/= speed of a bullet
I'm tired of this crap. So here's me putting my foot down.
There is only one instance ever, where it is even remotely arguable, that Logan has dodged a bullet after the fire. Logan might see things slower than a human because of his good reflexes but there is no way in hell he is as fast as a bullet.
Cyclops beams are very slow in comics, video games, and the cartoons. And even that was one instance (still not enough against PIS). There is no way I or anyone should believe that they are even close to bullet speed. And don't mistake dodging bullets for evasive moving away from the aim of the shooter. Because this is not dodging bullets. Yes Logan has moved away from the aim of the shooter and was appearing to be dodging bullets. But the fact remains, he is not that fast. And Logan one time catching a bullet is non-canon. It's against KMC rules to even mention such things as evidence.
Fact1: Logan has very slight super speed (on par with Captain America in the peak human range) but he has low super human reflexes though.
Fact2: There is hardly anything in Logan's entire canon history to support that he is fast enough to dodge bullets after they are fired. The one instance actually supporting it is considered PIS by definition.
Fact3: Moving out of the way of the aim of the shooter is not dodging bullets. An obscene amount of comic characters has done the evasive bullet thing (from batman to captain america).
Fact4: Deflecting darts and other seemingly very fast objects doesn't automatically put your speed on par with bullets. Good senses such as DD's, Spiderman's, and even Wolverine's can play a part in a head start to deflect and evade such things.
With that said, Wonderman wins.
Originally posted by h1a8
I'm tired of this crap. So here's me putting my foot down.There is only one instance ever, where it is even remotely arguable, that Logan has dodged a bullet after the fire. Logan might see things slower than a human because of his good reflexes but there is no way in hell he is as fast as a bullet.
Cyclops beams are very slow in comics, video games, and the cartoons. And even that was one instance (still not enough against PIS). There is no way I or anyone should believe that they are even close to bullet speed. And don't mistake dodging bullets for evasive moving away from the aim of the shooter. Because this is not dodging bullets. Yes Logan has moved away from the aim of the shooter and was appearing to be dodging bullets. But the fact remains, he is not that fast. And Logan one time catching a bullet is non-canon. It's against KMC rules to even mention such things as evidence.
Fact1: Logan has very slight super speed (on par with Captain America in the peak human range) but he has low super human reflexes though.
Fact2: There is hardly anything in Logan's entire canon history to support that he is fast enough to dodge bullets after they are fired. The one instance actually supporting it is considered PIS by definition.
Fact3: Moving out of the way of the aim of the shooter is not dodging bullets. An obscene amount of comic characters has done the evasive bullet thing (from batman to captain america).
Fact4: Deflecting darts and other seemingly very fast objects doesn't automatically put your speed on par with bullets. Good senses such as DD's, Spiderman's, and even Wolverine's can play a part in a head start to deflect and evade such things.
With that said, Wonderman wins.
......cyclopes laser are as fast if nto faster then a bullet
deflecting those darts would mean his precpetion and movement speed would have to be equal if not greater then the bullets.
actaully Logan done events comparable so no it not pis. He even been stated as see them in slow motion and thats for the reasoning for how he dodges them after there fired..........
actaully I just put down two instances that support it.
as well as the novel which states it..........thats three off the top of my head........
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Capture guns shoot their darts at something like 70-80 m/s. Bullets leave a handgun hundreds of meters per second.There isn't much of a comparison IMO.
........really prove it. I been looking all over for the speed and can't find it.
also don't forget it advanced technology.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
........really prove it. I been looking all over for the speed and can't find it.
http://www.bearsmart.com/managingBears/CaptureTechniques.html
States a low velocity dart (not intended to do major damage) is 50m/s. If they were trying to just take him down there would be no reason to use high velocity darts (which I doubt would reach the 1000 m/s muzzle velocity you can get from a powerful handgun)
Originally posted by Battlehammer
also don't forget it advanced technology.
Then prove that some effort was put into improving dart guns.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
http://www.bearsmart.com/managingBears/CaptureTechniques.htmlStates a low velocity dart (not intended to do major damage) is 50m/s. If they were trying to just take him down there would be no reason to use high velocity darts (which I doubt would reach the 1000 m/s muzzle velocity you can get from a powerful handgun)
Then prove that some effort was put into improving dart guns.
.........umm this dart gun was made to do serous damage......
the shot was not even fired at logan lol.
.......read the issue. It was the device used to spread the cancer. It was also weapon disgned to kill and the doctor personal weapn for defense.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
.........umm this dart gun was made to do serous damage......
On impact? 😑
Originally posted by Battlehammer
the shot was not even fired at logan lol.
Wouldn't that support my argument?
Originally posted by Battlehammer
.......read the issue.
Well it's the middle of the night here and I don't know what issue it happened in.
So . . .
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
On impact? 😑Wouldn't that support my argument?
Well it's the middle of the night here and I don't know what issue it happened in.
So . . .
no since it was no used or made to subdue
I can get you the issue number if you want it
Originally posted by Battlehammer
they don't care. It was made to kill people. It was also sued for the doctors protection.
Kay
Originally posted by Battlehammer
no since it was no used or made to subdue
That doesn't have anything to do with what you said. If the dart wasn't fired at him then it would be much easier to avoid or deflect.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
I can get you the issue number if you want it
😂 Never mind.
Originally posted by Battlehammerit can still be made to kill and not impact with great force. Because it's a dart gun it would only need enough force to penatrate a tough hide to deliver it's payload, which a standard dart gun would already have the modifications made to it would not neccesarally have anythig to do with speed
they don't care. It was made to kill people. It was also sued for the doctors protection.no since it was no used or made to subdue
I can get you the issue number if you want it
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
KayThat doesn't have anything to do with what you said. If the dart wasn't fired at him then it would be much easier to avoid or deflect.
😂 Never mind.
how would it be easier to deflect? He broke through a wall and had to runn over an flect darts being shot at a kid with almost no time to think about his actions.