The Punisher: agree or disagree?

Originally posted by Passione
Yup!

The scum rape a women throw them in the slammer, where he has a roof over his head and three homecooked meals, where is the justice in that.

I am a victim of a crime and I dont like Violence or guns, but if one man is going to make the place somewhat safer.. then who I am to stop him. Hey i'll even buy him his gun..

I never said that people who do such things don't need to be punished, but not through murder. Nobody should make himself a judge, jury and executioner and start killing people left and right. A human life is still a human life, no matter how despicable, sadic or psychopath the person is.

There are different methods through which you can make a person like that pay and frankly, killing him is the easier way out.

Maybe it is an easy way out in your eyes.. but not in mine..

What possible punishement would you dish out for them to learn their lesson.

Break their bones?
Scare them for life?

Nothing would be good enough!

Besides as someone stated, the punisher would always keep one bullet for himself

Justice would be served.

Originally posted by TheGame17
ok so i dunno if this is the right forum, but i've been wanting to get peoples opinion on this question:

If the Punisher was real person and he was doing the same things that he does in the comics, would you agree with him?

like, would u appreciate him killing those that the law can't touch, or would u scorn him and say that he's a mass murderer and just believe whatever the media would say?....

Yes

Originally posted by Passione
Maybe it is an easy way out in your eyes.. but not in mine..

What possible punishement would you dish out for them to learn their lesson.

Break their bones?
Scare them for life?

Nothing would be good enough!

Besides as someone stated, the punisher would always keep one bullet for himself

Justice would be served.

What would killing him help for ? To make sure that he doesn't do what he did to anyone else again ? That can be assured through other means.

You think there aren't worst punishments than to kill him ? Do you know what happens to a rapist in prison ?

Then again, there are also psychological methods through which you can punish them.

And no, I don't see killing someone as 'serving justice'. Killing should be the last method and it should be used if you have no other choice.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

You think there aren't worst punishments than to kill him ? Do you know what happens to a rapist in prison ?

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

And no, I don't see killing someone as 'serving justice'. Killing should be the last method and it should be used if you have no other choice.

These statements contradict each other. If some thing is worse then death, then it is clearly less humane to force that upon them then to simply kill them.

These statements contradict each other. If some thing is worse then death, then it is clearly less humane to force that upon them then to simply kill them.

Nothing contradicts itself and you seem to be missing the point.

Not surprising really.

No I got your point completely it just made no sense.

You think no one has the right to kill another person.

But then you said there are things worse then death. And you implied you were fine with that happening.

so you clearly don't take your stand by a humane view point and if so it one screwed up one.

also please don't try to insult my Intelligence. It neither funny nor would any one on the forum respect you for it other then alf or master bruce.

Also as I stated earlier in this very thread I believe, that it hard to blame punisher for his actions.He has lived a very hard life and unless you have lived one similar to his, it really hard to understand were he coming from.

No I got your point completely it just made no sense.

Says you.

Which again, isn't surprising 🙂

You think no one has the right to kill another person.

Yes

But then you said there are things worse then death. And you implied you were fine with that happening.

Passione was implying that there isn't a worse punishment than death, which I pointed out is an easy way out and that there are also different ways through which a person can be punished and stopped from making rapes or murders ever again.

Do I agree with a person being punished for his crimes ? Yes. Do I agree with taking a person's life for his crimes ? No.

Why ?

Because you're denying him the right given to him by God. Nobody should play God and decide who lives and who dies.

There is a difference between punishing somebody for their deeds and taking away their life.

so you clearly don't take your stand by a humane view point and if so it one screwed up one.

You don't even know what my point is.

Next time you don't have a clue what you're talking about, try not to intervene in discussions.

Says you.

Which again, isn't surprising 🙂

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You are one smug person.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Passione was implying that there isn't a worse punishment than death, which I pointed out is an easy way out and that there are also different ways through which a person can be punished and stopped from making rapes or murders ever again.

However there are individuals who no matter what punishment they receive will attempt to commit the same acts of violence.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Do I agree with a person being punished for his crimes ? Yes. Do I agree with taking a person's life for his crimes ? No.

Why ?

Because you're denying him the right given to him by God. Nobody should play God and decide who lives and who dies.

There is a difference between punishing somebody for their deeds and taking away their life.

From a humane stand point it something is worse then death, then it would be more humane to Kill that individual then allow them to suffer so.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
You don't even know what my point is.

Next time you don't have a clue what you're talking about, try not to intervene in discussions.

Again I know what I am talking about.

From your stand point, you seem to be fine with a punishment being worse then death, but not killing an individual?

If so than your entire stand point is not a humane one fundalmentally, but rather a personal ethical stand point, that seems to fallow a religion of sorts morally.

Though I am still try to figure out what religion is fine with letting some one suffer worse then death.

You are one smug person.

Not really.

Yes and no. One could be locked away for ever and unable to commit such acts.

However there are individuals who no matter what punishment they receive will attempt to commit the same acts of violence.

Again, know the context before talking.

We were speaking about what should happen to people who commit such acts and what punishments should apply.

Again if said punishment is worse then death. Then it is more humane to take there lives then to allow them to suffer so.

From a humane stand point it something is worse then death, then it would be more humane to Kill that individual then allow them to suffer so.

Again, you are missing the point.

I'm not against killing somebody because it is worse than another punishment, I'm against it because like I said, nobody has the right to decide who lives and who dies.

Me disagreeing with death has nothing to do with how severe the punishment is, I was talking about death and punishment in the same context only when Passione considered death as the worst type of punishment.

Again I know what I am talking about.

hysterical

From you stand point you seem to be fine with a punishment being worse then death, but not kill an individual?

Again, me disagreeing with killing somebody has nothing to do with how severe death is as a "punishment" .

Seriously, I'm not going to waste my time explaining to you something you clearly can't comprehend.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

Again, know the context before talking.

We were speaking about what should happen to people who commit such acts and what punishments should apply.

I had the context perfectly. You stated that there are ways to stop individuals from murdering or raping again other then death.

This however is true and false. Yes there are ways to stop some from repeating such acts with out resorting to killing them, but that not necessarily true for others.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Again, you are missing the point.

I'm not against killing somebody because it is worse than another punishment, I'm against it because like I said, nobody has the right to decide who lives and who dies.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Me disagreeing with death has nothing to do with how severe the punishment is, I was talking about death and punishment in the same context only when Passione considered death as the worst type of punishment.

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Seriously, I'm not going to waste my time explaining to you something you clearly can't comprehend.

You think of your self far to highly. What you are saying is neither hard to understand nor is it complicated.

You also need to calm your self a little bit. Any time some one argues with you, you get offensive

It's like I'm talking to a brick wall. 😬

Really, try to understand the discussion before itrying to interfere.

I'm going to explain this to you once again.

I'm against taking a life not because the "level" of punishment it is, but because nobody has the right to take a life, no matter what a person has done. Be it a thief,rapist,murderer, noone has the right to take his life, a life given to him by God.

I see death as a last resort to stop somebody, and it should only be applied if there is no other solution.

What you are saying is neither hard to understand nor is it complicated.

Then it's even sadder that you can't understand it.

You also need to calm your self a little bit. Any time some one argues with you, you get offensive

Correction : Only when someone like you argues with me.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
I'm against taking a life not because the "level" of punishment it is, but because nobody has the right to take a life, no matter what a person has done. Be it a thief,rapist,murderer, noone has the right to take his life, a life given to him by God.

If you rape or murder someone, or molest/abuse a child, your life is forfeit the moment you commit the act. You essientially killed yourself and the Punisher just showed up to make sure you pay your debt.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
It's like I'm talking to a brick wall. 😬

Really, try to understand the discussion before itrying to interfere.

I'm going to explain this to you once again.

I'm against taking a life not because the "level" of punishment it is, but because nobody has the right to take a life, no matter what a person has done. Be it a thief,rapist,murderer, noone has the right to take his life, a life given to him by God.

I see death as a last resort to stop somebody, and it should only be applied if there is no other solution.

Then it's even sadder that you can't understand it.

Correction : Only when someone like you argues with me.

lots of people in the bible killed. Even David, "a man after God's own heart," killed people.

a pedophile who rapes and kills children SHOULD be killed. no question. and it wouldn't be just the punisher decising that. Almost ALL of society would condone it.

the law isn't even good. a pedophile can get only 10 years at the max nowadays, but a corrupt NBA referree can get 25?!?

that's unfair.

erik sucks

Originally posted by smashyou
erik sucks

Erik's right ✅ Murdering a murderer makes you just as guilty as them ✅

Originally posted by Badabing
Early 2008 then. duryes

Pfft.

Fidel Castro will outlive us both, Geoff.

Ain't nothing killing that old bastard.

Believe me, I've tried.

I would be down with a Punisher but only if he was very mechanical and detached about it so his emotions didn't cloud his actions. And also somehow very open about it so people knew he wasn't just a serial killer but someone taking out the appropriate people.

Like the thing someone mentioned about him killing a bunch of people because his family's graves were desecrated. I wouldn't be so much down with that. Depending on how bad they messed up the graves. He lets his personal attachments and feelings control him. But I do understand his motive.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If you rape or murder someone, or molest/abuse a child, your life is forfeit the moment you commit the act. You essientially killed yourself and the Punisher just showed up to make sure you pay your debt.

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
I would be down with a Punisher but only if he was very mechanical and detached about it so his emotions didn't cloud his actions. And also somehow very open about it so people knew he wasn't just a serial killer but someone taking out the appropriate people.

Like the thing someone mentioned about him killing a bunch of people because his family's graves were desecrated. I wouldn't be so much down with that. Depending on how bad they messed up the graves. He lets his personal attachments and feelings control him. But I do understand his motive.

I was going to say something eerily similar. Right down to the forfeiting your life part.

to point out, the one that desecrated his family's grave wasn't a good guy. Cavella (the guys name) had killed his family when he was a kid.

Punisher definately used emotion, but i really don't blame him for that one.

i think it does become mechanical for him sometimes. if he gets into a routine, he doesn't have a whole lot of emotion to him.