Superman vs. Firelord and Terrax

Most people at this forum have a bad habit of constantly imagining how a battle would go in a comic and not how it is supposed to go if the characters were created in real life. Of course in a comic this would be no cakewalk for Superman (but he would still win in a comic against both).

Assume that a Genie where to create these characters from a wish based off their majority showings in order to develop an accurate power set for the characters. The Genie would gather all comic evidence for both Firelord's and Terrax's durability against physical punches or strikes and it will see that there exists no evidence whatsoever that these beings can even take a punch from Superman without dying. Even though Superman has some low showings, the Genie would only take the majority of consistent showings to develop his power set as well. This means that Superman would be both fast and strong enough to kill both Firelord and Terrax in less than 3 sec.

This thread is spite to me in favor of Superman and people are actually arguing that the team will win when they can't win at least once in an infinite amount of matches. I guess lack of evidence for someone's durability and battle speed (reflexes) don't count anymore. I guess it is valid just to say that someone can do anything without proof. I guess people are emotionally debating things in which they are trying to feel for the truth instead of look for it.

Last thing, PIS is defined as either one doing something below and against what is shown statistically throughout their career or it is defined as one performing a feat that is an outlier-a rare feat that is not established statistically throughout a character's career. Firelord and Terrax has never shown the level of physical durability to survive a punch from Superman and in which they have shown a level in which Superman would kill them in one punch. So them not being able to survive a punch from Superman is not PIS since statistically they don't have the physical durability nor reflexes and speed to do so.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Who [B]can't superman not KO with 1 punch? 😱 [/B]

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
We are talking about punching power. Thor's hammer was coming on a down swing while in Thor's hand. Not the same as When Thor threw the hammer and knocked blood from Superman's mouth. KKthanks, Gnite.

So Thors hammer was stopped by something hard and stronger than it.

Originally posted by h1a8
Most people at this forum have a bad habit of constantly imagining how a battle would go in a comic and not how it is supposed to go if the characters were created in real life. Of course in a comic this would be no cakewalk for Superman (but he would still win in a comic against both).

Assume that a Genie where to create these characters from a wish based off their majority showings in order to develop an accurate power set for the characters. The Genie would gather all comic evidence for both Firelord's and Terrax's durability against physical punches or strikes and it will see that there exists no evidence whatsoever that these beings can even take a punch from Superman without dying. Even though Superman has some low showings, the Genie would only take the majority of consistent showings to develop his power set as well. This means that Superman would be both fast and strong enough to kill both Firelord and Terrax in less than 3 sec.

This thread is spite to me in favor of Superman and people are actually arguing that the team will win when they can't win at least once in an infinite amount of matches. I guess lack of evidence for someone's durability and battle speed (reflexes) don't count anymore. I guess it is valid just to say that someone can do anything without proof. I guess people are emotionally debating things in which they are trying to feel for the truth instead of look for it.

Last thing, PIS is defined as either one doing something below and against what is shown statistically throughout their career or it is defined as one performing a feat that is an outlier-a rare feat that is not established statistically throughout a character's career. Firelord and Terrax has never shown the level of physical durability to survive a punch from Superman and in which they have shown a level in which Superman would kill them in one punch. So them not being able to survive a punch from Superman is not PIS since statistically they don't have the physical durability nor reflexes and speed to do so.

Its not our fault that your genie has no abstract thought and cannot realize that the heralds can stand planet explosions and that Superman has not proven such hit power. That the heralds by definition are mean to travel in space way faster than light, proving to be at least at fast as Supes in the speed department. What I mean is: Your genie is a biased sheep that suppose that Supes speed and durability is uber and that the opponents can't compare because he does not like it.

Originally posted by h1a8
Sentry is weaker than the weakest John Bryne Superman IMO.
Ironman busted his nose, Playful and gentle Hulk hurt him with a hug,
he couldn't handle a hellicarrier, etc.
Firelord couldn't even stand up to an outraged 25-40ton Spiderman. Superman is over a trillion times stronger and faster. How would Firelord be able to react to Superman let alone take a hit from him?

Supes loses to Gorilla Grod, TOY MAN and LEX LUTHOR!!

The team win.

Firelord's one low showing against Spiderman does not constitute for Supes being able to one shot him. Supes has had far worse low showings. Also, as Firelord can control spectrums of sunlight- he could shower Supes with red sun energy and Supes would become very weak and Terrax would dice him.

Originally posted by Bentley
Its not our fault that your genie has no abstract thought and cannot realize that the heralds can stand planet explosions and that Superman has not proven such hit power. That the heralds by definition are mean to travel in space way faster than light, proving to be at least at fast as Supes in the speed department. What I mean is: Your genie is a biased sheep that suppose that Supes speed and durability is uber and that the opponents can't compare because he does not like it.

Wait, are you kidding me? 🤨 Superman CAN'T one shot a planet? How many Superman comics have you read? Superman is easily among the strongest top tiers in comics, probably in the top 5 of the high heralds on our tier list in terms of physical strength. And in terms of combat speed, neither of these 2 has a thing on Superman. Both would lose 10/10 to him alone, and even together, I don't see much hope for them. I mean, if a weakling like Sentry could ***** Terrax, I don't see Supes having any trouble. Firelord is somewhat more impressive, but again, Superman hits harder than anyone FL has faced, with the exception of Thor, and Thanos if he fought him. And IMO, Superman's strength feats eclipse those of Thanos.

The team might take a few, like 1 or 2 normally. But they will not take shit from a bloodlusted supes. Superman outclasses them. And btw, someone said Surfer would lose to these 2? 😂

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Wait, are you kidding me? 🤨 Superman [b]CAN'T one shot a planet? How many Superman comics have you read? Superman is easily among the strongest top tiers in comics, probably in the top 5 of the high heralds on our tier list in terms of physical strength. And in terms of combat speed, neither of these 2 has a thing on Superman. Both would lose 10/10 to him alone, and even together, I don't see much hope for them. I mean, if a weakling like Sentry could ***** Terrax, I don't see Supes having any trouble. Firelord is somewhat more impressive, but again, Superman hits harder than anyone FL has faced, with the exception of Thor, and Thanos if he fought him. And IMO, Superman's strength feats eclipse those of Thanos.

The team might take a few, like 1 or 2 normally. But they will not take shit from a bloodlusted supes. Superman outclasses them. And btw, someone said Surfer would lose to these 2? 😂 [/B]

Surfer would dlose if he was fighting them at the same time. Big G's heralds are more or less equall Terrax being one of the weakest and Firelord one of the strongest. Everything you said about Stuporman is wrong and dare lies. upes could never one shot a planet if he sun bathed for eternity

Originally posted by Sarutobi700
Surfer would dlose if he was fighting them at the same time. Big G's heralds are more or less equall Terrax being one of the weakest and Firelord one of the strongest. Everything you said about Stuporman is wrong and dare lies. upes could never one shot a planet if he sun bathed for eternity

If you know nothing of Superman then why argue against him?
A mere moment in the Sun gives Superman power that is greater than thousands of galaxies (Remember each galaxy has billions of stars). This is a fact. His power is both Psionic and Hypermetabolization. Solar energy just provides him with the potential to draw into these energies.

Being a herald doesn't constitute one to be able to take a Superman punch. If that was the case then Firelord would have once shown this, but he hasn't. So your logic of Superman getting beaten by Toyman and such fails because it was shown that Superman indeed have the power to beat Toyman and such. But it was never shown that Firelord has the physical durability or reflexes and battle speed in which to stop Superman from hitting and killing him. Thus, it isn't PIS when someone of lower strength than Superman koes Firelord. Because this is his only established physical durability on panel.

And traveling speed don't equal battle speed or reflex ability. Again Superman koes (or kills) Firelord in a nanosecond and then commences to engage Terrax for a very easy win.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
The team win.

Firelord's one low showing against Spiderman does not constitute for Supes being able to one shot him. Supes has had far worse low showings. Also, as Firelord can control spectrums of sunlight- he could shower Supes with red sun energy and Supes would become very weak and Terrax would dice him.

A low showing is such a showing that there exists at least another showing greater than it. Firelord has no higher showings in the physical durability department (not energy durability) . Thus it isn't a low showing at all. And Firelord is astronomically slower than Superman in battle speed and reflexes. He won't get even a chance to think when Superman blitzes him instantly (So the red sun energy strategy fails).

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I mean, if a weakling like Sentry could ***** Terrax, I don't see Supes having any trouble.

Originally posted by King Kandy
It's funny how you take that as proof that Terrax is weak rather then proof that Sentry is powerful.

sup quan

team ftw

Team

I dont understand why this is still going on. Supes looses this 10/10. Hell, i go as far as saying that if superman fought 2 equus that is in no way comparable to firelord or terrax, that he would lose. This is a curb stomp and shouldnt have even been made. You have two beings that alone is more powerful than superman (but superman could still win 1on1 against them because they use there powers in bruteful ways) and youre teaming them up.

Like I said 1on1 if they use there herald powers the right way, they could get a majority, if they fight there stupid ways, they could get some wins but superman would get the majority (I still think that firelord would get a majority over superman even if he fights like he does in comics).

h1a8, do you even know the powers that both of these heralds have. I dont think that you know jack about them. Lets put it like this, firelord has enough power at his desposal that he could stalemate silver surfer. Terrax has enough power at his desposal that he could give surfer a fight of his life.

Silver surfer has enough power at his disposal that he could one shot superman, or strip superman of his powers. Do you get the point.

Spite.

Originally posted by carver9
I dont understand why this is still going on. Supes looses this 10/10. Hell, i go as far as saying that if superman fought 2 equus that is in no way comparable to firelord or terrax, that he would lose. This is a curb stomp and shouldnt have even been made. You have two beings that alone is more powerful than superman (but superman could still win 1on1 against them because they use there powers in bruteful ways) and youre teaming them up.

Like I said 1on1 if they use there herald powers the right way, they could get a majority, if they fight there stupid ways, they could get some wins but superman would get the majority (I still think that firelord would get a majority over superman even if he fights like he does in comics).

h1a8, do you even know the powers that both of these heralds have. I dont think that you know jack about them. Lets put it like this, firelord has enough power at his desposal that he could stalemate silver surfer. Terrax has enough power at his desposal that he could give surfer a fight of his life.

Silver surfer has enough power at his disposal that he could one shot superman, or strip superman of his powers. Do you get the point.

Spite.

Dude, stop using Equus as an example of Supes losing. He bitched Equus. and the only reason Equus has able to hurt was because he has angel bone claws.

Originally posted by h1a8
Not true. PIS only applies when a character's entire history contradicts that moment(s).

So when I see you respond in a Hulk thread,this is the way you will be thinking?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Dude, stop using Equus as an example of Supes losing. He bitched Equus. and the only reason Equus has able to hurt was because he has angel bone claws.

Im not using equus as a win but I know that 2 equus would kill superman. One equus gave him problems, 2 would most definitely kill him.

Superman would win everytime 1on1 with equus.

By the way, superman loses this fight 10/10 and trickster youre a fanboy and how many times do i have to tell you that. Your votes for superman means jack to me because I have never seen you vote against him.

Good to see you though. Youre still one of the coolest (and sometimes most irritating) guy on the forum besides myself. 😆

Originally posted by carver9
I dont understand why this is still going on. Supes looses this 10/10. Hell, i go as far as saying that if superman fought 2 equus that is in no way comparable to firelord or terrax, that he would lose. This is a curb stomp and shouldnt have even been made. You have two beings that alone is more powerful than superman (but superman could still win 1on1 against them because they use there powers in bruteful ways) and youre teaming them up.

Like I said 1on1 if they use there herald powers the right way, they could get a majority, if they fight there stupid ways, they could get some wins but superman would get the majority (I still think that firelord would get a majority over superman even if he fights like he does in comics).

h1a8, do you even know the powers that both of these heralds have. I dont think that you know jack about them. Lets put it like this, firelord has enough power at his desposal that he could stalemate silver surfer. Terrax has enough power at his desposal that he could give surfer a fight of his life.

Silver surfer has enough power at his disposal that he could one shot superman, or strip superman of his powers. Do you get the point.

Spite.

You are right! This is spite. But in favor of Superman. This thread shouldn't even been created. There is 0 chance that both Firelord and Terrax can win once in a billion matches against Superman.

Many here (like you) are using a common form of faulty reasoning. You all are assuming that who ever is the most powerful (in terms of versatility of offense) then they automatically win against the less powerful. Give another human the power to destroy a universe with just a thought and let a bullet be fired at their brain. The bullet wins everytime. That doesn't mean that the bullet>>>>the human in sheer power. You get my point? Speed is the king of all things.

The reason why Firelord and maybe Terrax would give SS and Thor a good fight is because both SS's and Thor's battle speed and reflexes are on par with both Firelord's and Terrax's. Superman is totally different. For he is fast enough to hit Firelord and Terrax in battle before they can operate a thought. Second, Firelord (and maybe Terrax) has never proven to have the physical durability to withstand even a 100ton punch.

At the start of the battle Superman will punch Firelord with a strike that more than a billion times more than Spiderman's punch and with the speed in which Firelord can't react to. Afterwards (nanoseconds later), Superman would do the same to Terrax. This thread is Super Spite.

If you disagree then prove that either Firelord or Terrax can react and move to Superman's battle speed. Then prove that they can take a Superman powered punch without being koed or killed. If you do this then team wins. Otherwise it is spite in Superman's favor.

Originally posted by strengthkills
So when I see you respond in a Hulk thread,this is the way you will be thinking?

In these forums I look at things in order of importance-speed first, power set second, and strength and durability last. So in mostly all Hulk threads I would argue mostly for or against speed then second most of power set and lastly for strength and durability. I rarely pull the PIS arguments out since there aren't many PIS feats.