Originally posted by Fuddle
Want me to make a list of at least 20 that I believe is stronger? Then you can disprove me.
i cant disprove you either, but you have no Fusion feats to compare, so what i said is 100% correct, who you "belive" not know, you should not on these forums say things like that so definitley unless you can prove your working on the wrath of the lichking expansion
but please list the 20
Originally posted by Burning thought
The Lich King can control the minds of thousands of undead beings, can control the minds of beings that are close to him completly (he did it to furbolgs and such i think, and wendigos).he has power of Shadow and Ice magics, and his sword drains energy as well if ime not mistaken. And thats just normal lich king, this is fusion is it not, who is one of the strongest in warcraft.
-If that's all, controlling minds of thousands of beings, that's not that much of a problem considering that Kratos, even before becoming a god, dealt with thousands of opposition in his battle with the barbarian, and even after that, in the opening cinematic of GOWII, when he first watched over the war with the Spartans and joined them in God form, stomping on all opposition like roaches. But just to be sure, how powerful are these unded minions?
-Shadow and Ice magic, If memory serves me right, the Sisers of Fate had some form of shadow manipulation and such, and ice magic, Kratos I think had dealt with such before. But Medusa's Gaze will easily rival that.
-Also, the info about Ner'Zhul was too vague.
Originally posted by Sol Valentine
-If that's all, controlling minds of thousands of beings, that's not that much of a problem considering that Kratos, even before becoming a god, dealt with thousands of opposition in his battle with the barbarian, and even after that, in the opening cinematic of GOWII, when he first watched over the war with the Spartans and joined them in God form, stomping on all opposition like roaches. But just to be sure, how powerful are these unded minions?-Shadow and Ice magic, If memory serves me right, the Sisers of Fate had some form of shadow manipulation and such, and ice magic, Kratos I think had dealt with such before. But Medusa's Gaze will easily rival that.
-Also, the info about Ner'Zhul was too vague.
Theres thousands of undead minions, and hundreds of types of undead minions, basically all the weakest ones are at least close to the strength of the barbarians Kratos faces, but some of them can rip out his soul, possess him, drain him of life, summon more undead minions etc etc etc, theres almost endless posbilities with these minions, some are undead dragons
-shadow and ice indeed, only i tihnk Nerzhul has near mastery, he also conjured a plague that eventually ended up wiping out many towns, he has all sorts of powers
- the information is vague because the version your using has no information on him, so people can only dig up powers he has had before, the old versions like the old Lich King and Nerzhul the Orc
Originally posted by Burning thought
i cant disprove you either, but you have no Fusion feats to compare, so what i said is 100% correct, who you "belive" not know, you should not on these forums say things like that so definitley unless you can prove your working on the wrath of the lichking expansionbut please list the 20
We start with the top obvious. This is not in chronological order:
- Aman'Thul
- Eonar
- Norgannon
- Golganneth
- Khaz'goroth (Had to look his name up. I always forget it 😮)
- Sargeras
- Aggramar
- Old God
- Old God
- Old God
- Old God
- Old God
- Malygos
- Neltharion
- Nozdormu
- Aegwynn
- Ragnaros
- Therazane
- Al'Akir
- Neptulon
- Kil'Jaeden
- Scavell
With the ones that I consider more or less obvious out of the way, I link the likely but uncertain ones.
- Cenarius
- Archimonde
- Ysera
- Alexstrazsa
- "Ancient Evil"
- Hakkar
- Medivh
- K'ure
- Mephistroth
I had to look a couple of the names up. My mind is not talented enough to keep such a high number of character names in memory for a longer time 😛
New Lich King would annihilate Kratos. His dark powers are well and truly beyond anything Kratos could hope to overcome.
Why do you guys not trust me?
Illidan can fly
Cenarius > Illidan in terms of magic power.
If you know anythnig bout them it should be pretty obvious that those two facts are true.....
indeed Evil angel, overall power Cenarius wins but not neccerily will he win every time in a fight, perhaps merely a small majority, like 5.8/10
also Fuddle, you said old gods many times, just call them "the old GOds" also i disagree with Ragnaros unless you mean the first version, then yes, i disagree with the Dragonflights thats for sure.
The top titans are above everyone, so thats a bit silly to put them down.
my personal view is that he is equel to or greater than Killy or Archimonde and anything below them.
Aegewyn? ime not sure about her, shes an engima, all i remember he doing is destroying an avatar of Sarg who "wanted" to be destroyed.
some of those names ive not really heard of tbh, whos Scavell and Mephistiroth
Originally posted by Burning thought
Theres thousands of undead minions, and hundreds of types of undead minions, basically all the weakest ones are at least close to the strength of the barbarians Kratos faces, but some of them can rip out his soul, possess him, drain him of life, summon more undead minions etc etc etc, theres almost endless posbilities with these minions, some are undead dragons-shadow and ice indeed, only i tihnk Nerzhul has near mastery, he also conjured a plague that eventually ended up wiping out many towns, he has all sorts of powers
- the information is vague because the version your using has no information on him, so people can only dig up powers he has had before, the old versions like the old Lich King and Nerzhul the Orc
-The weakest minions that rivaled the strength of the barbarian forces will not even scratch Kratos since he ws human during that time and was not as powerful. Undead minions that can rip out his soul, Kratos is immortal, and has litterally crawled out of the depths of Hades/Hell, possession, I'll give you that, until I find a source about possession in GOW. Undead minions that summon undead minions, Kratos has a massive amount of stamina and endurance, so he'll fight endlessly. Undead dragons, Kratos will deal with them as he dealt with the Minotaur, Rhodes, and the Kraken.
-A plague that ended up wiping out many towns night not have any affenct on Kratos. But if it did, it won't kill him since he's........immortal. Any info on anymore of his powers?
-And here's the vids of Kratos v.s. The Sisters of Fate:
YouTube video
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YouTube video
-And the battle against Zeus
YouTube video
YouTube video
It's highly suggested Malygos is weaker than Lich King. As he and his dragon kin are at war with the the Lich King. They seem to be losing at that.
If Malygos is weaker than LK then it's most likely so are all the others.
Aegwynn has unkown power levels. She had a huge amount of help in defeating sargeras, so it's impossbiel to really tell her true power. Though i myself would suspect she is about LK level.
Cenarius would get raped by LK.
Originally posted by Burning thought
indeed Evil angel, overall power Cenarius wins but not neccerily will he win every time in a fight, perhaps merely a small majority, like 5.8/10also Fuddle, you said old gods many times, just call them "the old GOds" also i disagree with Ragnaros unless you mean the first version, then yes, i disagree with the Dragonflights thats for sure.
The top titans are above everyone, so thats a bit silly to put them down.
my personal view is that he is equel to or greater than Killy or Archimonde and anything below them.
Aegewyn? ime not sure about her, shes an engima, all i remember he doing is destroying an avatar of Sarg who "wanted" to be destroyed.
some of those names ive not really heard of tbh, whos Scavell and Mephistiroth
Scavell was one of the first Guardians. He was the mentor of multiple others. Uncertain, but I believe he taught Medivh as well. He was the wisest, most experienced and talented Guardian according to many.
Concerning Aegwynn, to even be capable of defeating Sargeras takes something special. She was also known as one of the most powerful guardians there has been.
It is not silly to put the Pantheon there. You said one of the strongest in Warcraft. Why should we exclude the top seven?
I said Old Gods five times, because I do not think he can take either one of them down individually. Therefore wanting to avoid missunderstanding if saying "Old Gods" and having you think he can not fight all five (Which he can not 😛)
Mephistroth is the current Dreadlord leader. A horribly powerful demon that is rated one of the mightiest in the current Burning Legion.
You disagree with the Dragonflights?
I can understand if you disagree with Alexstrasza and Ysera. Possibly Nozdormu in actual strength. However, both Malygos and Neltharion (Demon Soul) has enough potentials to fight him for the crown.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
It's highly suggested Malygos is weaker than Lich King. As he and his dragon kin are at war with the the Lich King. They seem to be losing at that.If Malygos is weaker than LK then it's most likely so are all the others.
Aegwynn has unkown power levels. She had a huge amount of help in defeating sargeras, so it's impossbiel to really tell her true power. Though i myself would suspect she is about LK level.
Cenarius would get raped by LK.
As Blizzard have said, "Cenarius is one of the mightiest Demi-Gods that have ever walked Azeroth."
I think that has a better sound to it than "One of the mightiest beings on Azeroth was born."
I highly doubt he get 'raped'.
Where have you gotten the idea that Malygos is? Wrath of the Lich King? The party get assistance from Alexstrasza to defeat him. I do not even think he will actually die.
If you have not noticed, concerning that war part. EVERYONE is at war with the Lich King 😛
exactley, no others have the amount of pressure on them as the Lich King right now, he has the Burning legion scratching through and Killy himself who wants to douche him, he has the dragon flights, Elune he wants to beat at
i dont care if he doesnt have any actual abilities truly stated, Blizzard are not going to throw all these at him, if he cant put up any fight...
I think its more likely hes going to beat most of them in the story than it is for him to be beaten easily by any of them.
Lich King is now incredible it seems
ime not sure, he has loads if you include Warlock magic, all ice mage spells and mind powers
he could probably just mind rape Kratos, making Kratos as scared as a child by smashing his brain up, or completly control it
He has powers of the dark, the shadow, likely he has all the warlock spells and ice magics, well you should imagine what that means, freezing in blocks of ice
but youve used a Warcraft character that hasnt been shown at all really, but he is likely to be more than a match for anything in Gowverse, most at least.....his power is magnificient from the soudns of what Blizzard are doing with him
Originally posted by Burning thought
exactley, no others have the amount of pressure on them as the Lich King right now, he has the Burning legion scratching through and Killy himself who wants to douche him, he has the dragon flights, Elune he wants to beat ati dont care if he doesnt have any actual abilities truly stated, Blizzard are not going to throw all these at him, if he cant put up any fight...
I think its more likely hes going to beat most of them in the story than it is for him to be beaten easily by any of them.
Lich King is now incredible it seems
He is not supposed to stand a chance. Have you not got it? The expansion is supposed to be the fall of the Lich King. They are coming from every path possible. Everyone hates him. He is powerful, I give him that, but the entire Azeroth and Burning Legion is his enemy and coming for him.
The Dragonflights will not attack him though. They are too busy dealing with Malygos corruption.
Who will he beat? The players will kill the shade of Kil'Jaeden. The players will fight by Alexstraszas side against Malygos. The players will fight eachother. He is in the middle of a chaotic war. The only hope he has is the fact that everyone is killing eachother. Which they ARE.
He is intellectual. He has calculated the approach of the entire event that will take place. However, he will misscalculate. Just like Kil'Jaeden did. He will be defeated or forced to retreat.
You think highly of Lich King. You should, but not THAT high. He, like Kil'Jaeden play games of mind. He use his brain to be victorious.