Originally posted by OneDumbG0
What PIS are you citing that Doom, but not Kang, benefits from? And in a straight up fight, Doom's armor is greater than Kang's by far.
Recently Doom's armor has been going one to one against Ironman's, magic being the deciding factor for Doom to win. In the other hand, Ironlad with Kang's armor one-shotted Tony.
I mentioned the PIS because neither Magus nor Ultron, will be helping Doom this time around. Leaving yourself open against a superior oponent -like Magus- is hardly a bad feat, so no, this has nothing to do with the current scenario. PIS affects every character, but in those instances it was against Kang.
Originally posted by BentleyDoom, who was ambushed in his castle, went one on one with Extremis Iron Man. Every other time Doom has faced Iron Man, Stark was embarrassed. When did Iron Lad one-shot Extremis Iron Man? And seriously... who has Kang beaten with his armor?
Recently Doom's armor has been going one to one against Ironman's, magic being the deciding factor for Doom to win. In the other hand, Ironlad with Kang's armor one-shotted Tony.I mentioned the PIS because neither Magus nor Ultron, will be helping Doom this time around. Leaving yourself open against a superior oponent -like Magus- is hardly a bad feat, so no, this has nothing to do with the current scenario. PIS affects every character, but in those instances it was against Kang.
Doom has always gotten the better of Kang when they play the deception/opportunity/preparation game against each other. You want to ignore that big elephant in the room, go right ahead.
So when Doom is ambushed in his castle -which is his main base and its full of defenses- then troubles are understandable, but when Kang is strayed into a planet by a night omnipotent force such as the Beyonder, away from his base and tech, then he loses because he is a chump. Of course, I think I see your logic.
Again, if you can't see the fact that in Infinity Wars Kang went against Magus, a more experienced Warlock and went down only because those circumstances -which Doom took advantage of-, not willing to believe that Doom would have been defeated the same way, and unwilling to recognize it as PIS... Well, thats your choice to make; personally I don't see that as prepping and deception, but merely chance. So yes, Doom is luckier -or maybe, he is more popular with the readers-, not that I see how it scotches here. And I guess that if Doom found Ultron it had to be thanks to his cunning and not by circumstances... Nah.
Who has Kang defeated with his armor? Well, he has KOed Thor; hurt the Silver Surfer; one-shot the Thing, Wonderman and Tempus; not counting taking down the Sh'iar and the Badon armies in his own reality -not by himself but we know he was in the frontlines-; all that from the top of my mind. And trust me, he would absolutely stomp Ironman one on one.
Originally posted by BentleyDoom went back in time, banged Morgan le Fay and as soon as he stepped back, the Mighty Avengers crashed into his castle and Iron Man confronted him. Kang actually teched himself out with the alien technology that Beyonder brought onto Battleword. Good job reading Secret Wars. And nice attempt to mischaracterize my argument. Kang's a chump because he got chumped by Doom twice. Kang's armor has never shown any kind of superiority over Doom's. Prove otherwise if you're able.
So when Doom is ambushed in his castle -which is his main base and its full of defenses- then troubles are understandable, but when Kang is strayed into a planet by a night omnipotent force such as the Beyonder, away from his base and tech, then he loses because he is a chump. Of course, I think I see your logic.
Originally posted by BentleyDid you even read Infinity War? Doom and Kang were plotting to kill each other the entire time. Doom was in the same fight against Magus and Adam Warlock. And guess who eventually beat all three other opponents? Yea... it was Doom:
Again, if you can't see the fact that in Infinity Wars Kang went against Magus, a more experienced Warlock and went down only because those circumstances -which Doom took advantage of-, not willing to believe that Doom would have been defeated the same way, and unwilling to recognize it as PIS... Well, thats your choice to make; personally I don't see that as prepping and deception, but merely chance. So yes, Doom is luckier -or maybe, he is more popular with the readers-, not that I see how it scotches here. And I guess that if Doom found Ultron it had to be thanks to his cunning and not by circumstances... Nah.
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Originally posted by BentleyShow me scans of Kang using his armor to do these things. Pretty sure he's using plot device weapons he brings with them for nearly every feat you mentioned. Not that Doom doesn't have his fair share of gadgets, which happen to defeat beings like Beyonder, Galactus, etc. But armor to armor? Doom has superior feats. Prove otherwise if you're able. Kang got one-shotted by Ultron. He also got stomped by Cap.
Who has Kang defeated with his armor? Well, he has KOed Thor; hurt the Silver Surfer; one-shot the Thing, Wonderman and Tempus; not counting taking down the Sh'iar and the Badon armies in his own reality -not by himself but we know he was in the frontlines-; all that from the top of my mind. And trust me, he would absolutely stomp Ironman one on one.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Doom went back in time, banged Morgan le Fay and as soon as he stepped back, the Mighty Avengers crashed into his castle and Iron Man confronted him. Kang actually teched himself out with the alien technology that Beyonder brought onto Battleword. Good job reading Secret Wars. And nice attempt to mischaracterize my argument. Kang's a chump because he got chumped by Doom twice. Kang's armor has never shown any kind of superiority over Doom's. Prove otherwise if you're able.
My point talking about the Mighty Avengers is that circumstances are fundamental for interpretation, you cannot just choose to consider the situation Doom was in, and ignore that Kang was put down by Ultron and not Doom. See Ultron in this battle? No.
I don't think that the Beyonder would let Kang travel through time just like that. As I said, he was away from his base.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Did you even read Infinity War? Doom and Kang were plotting to kill each other the entire time. Doom was in the same fight against Magus and Adam Warlock. And guess who eventually beat all three other opponents? Yea... it was Doom:http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Fights/DoomvsMagus01IW5.jpg
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Lets see the number of times Magus attacked Doom in this scans: 0. He cheapshotted his way into advantage while Magus was worrying about the cubes, and decided to ignore Doom completely. Heck, Kang was hit four times by Magus and Doom just came to cheapshot him too in the end. In a forum battle Doom is not going to cheapshot anyone and Kang won't be already down after fighting Magus.
You can bring up both this battles as many times as you want, but its still a PIS scenario, and neither Kang or Doom did as much as to raise a shield.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Show me scans of Kang using his armor to do these things. Pretty sure he's using plot device weapons he brings with them for nearly every feat you mentioned.
Kang can summon weapons through the time-stream with his armor, its among its abilities, making those plot devices weapons usable even in a no-prep scenario. Nifty skill from an armor, Doom has nothing like that.
I'll put a scan of Kang destroying Tempus to see some armor power:
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Not that Doom doesn't have his fair share of gadgets, which happen to defeat beings like Beyonder, Galactus, etc.
Doom defeat the Beyonder? I will leave that discussion to Mr. Master.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
But armor to armor? Doom has superior feats. Prove otherwise if you're able. Kang got one-shotted by Ultron. He also got stomped by Cap.
So you think that Kang fighting hand to hand against Cap is a bad showing? Against Cap with no power of whatsoever in his armor and weapons? Heck! Kang held his ground against one of the best martial artists of Marvel Earth without any help or whatsoever from his armor. I don't see the point of bringing up this feat.
And Kang was one-shotted by Ultron of course... When hit by a beam from Ultron which looks like the disintegrator which Doom thought destroyed Thor. Lets not forget some other facts:
-When Ultron started attacking, Doom declared that the only ones able to take him down would be Owen and Galactus. As a matter of fact, he said Ultron could kill him even with his armor.
-Later on, Doom upgraded Ultron using the technology of that planet.
-Kang was attacked after being freed from the hero base and fighting Thor. During this time nothing points towards Kang having any tech aside from his own, he was captured by the heros who had no interest in leaving such tech on him.
-Not at a single point Kang tried to defend himself during this showing, he tried to reason with Doom -probably knowing that he wouldn't be able to face Ultron, the villains and Doom at the same time anyways.
So an improved Ultron that was already more powerful than Doom attacked Kang who did not even fight back. That's what this feat amounts to, don't try to make it look like an all out intelligence and skill competition.
While I don't mind debating Kang against Doom, coming to this two "battles" each time gets a little circular. I will prepare something to compare armors, feel free to post feats about Doom's here if you want to.
