I LOVE BECKETT!
Ever since Blood Diamond, I have this unfortunate obsession with hot men smoking. I find it weirdly attractive. Even though in real life, i maintain it is a very bad habit. So why the blazes didn't we get to see Beckett smoke?
Come to think of it, does anyone besides Davy get to smoke in the pirate films? Not that I can remember...
It's funny how several of the Pirates characters are very ambiguous in their sexuality. Beckett definitely looks turned on by Elizabeth, but he is also clearly obsessed with Jack.
I think Beckett is one of T and T's most original bad guys to date, and would have been all the more fun if we had seen he and Jack's backstory.
Please expand on that, Kate. I think nearly all the pirates are heterosexual given their attraction/lust for Elizabeth. I know many people thought Jack was gay after COTBP but Johnny Depp quelled that by stating that Jack's sexuality was just mysterious and bordered on being asexual.
But I'm really curious as to what you think. Beckett I think is definitely gay or at least bi.
Originally posted by willofthewisp
Please expand on that, Kate. I think nearly all the pirates are heterosexual given their attraction/lust for Elizabeth. I know many people thought Jack was gay after COTBP but Johnny Depp quelled that by stating that Jack's sexuality was just mysterious and bordered on being asexual.But I'm really curious as to what you think. Beckett I think is definitely gay or at least bi.
I think Beckett is just one horny sod. Or to put it more politely, a very sensual and mildly sadistic guy caught up in Victorian England where everything is very restricted. So his interactions with Jack, Elizabeth, and pretty much everyone else in the Caribbean are bound to excite him. Poor guy's been stuck in brocade for too long.
Since everyone and their dog seem to be in love with Elizabeth, i don't think Beckett's attraction to her is a very serious testament to his sexual preferences. In my opinion, Beckett is interested in whatever sex he can get. And, any relationship he may have would be very twisted.
Jack for one doesn't seem unsettled by Beckett's attraction as he was when he thought Lizzie was a dude in film 2. He and Beckett act like they could have been boys at school together in the negotiating scene in film 3--- when they are playing with the fan and all. Like they are equals playing chess or something. They don't ever give off the vibe of being serious enemies--- not in my mind, anyway. Jack and Davy--- now they give off the vibe of real enemies.
What I'm trying to say with all this is, I think Beckett is in love with Jack, but other than that, he's straight. Or wants to be straight. haha. That's my read of him.
"Jack for one doesn't seem unsettled by Beckett's attraction as he was when he thought Lizzie was a dude in film 2. He and Beckett act like they could have been boys at school together in the negotiating scene in film 3--- when they are playing with the fan and all. Like they are equals playing chess or something. They don't ever give off the vibe of being serious enemies--- not in my mind, anyway. Jack and Davy--- now they give off the vibe of real enemies. "Kateloves
Oh, heavens, never check the board before you head for bed--MizKateloves, you astound me--equal parts practical and perverse, really love that in a piratista--I'm leaning towards ambiguity in all sexuality--any port in a storm so to speak--although (and I am laughing and embarassed as I type this, oh, and did I mention titalated)(oh God--I'm Beckett!!!!!--see Diva's untranslatable post) Jack and Beckett really do seem to have some special kind of inner dialogue going on. Really is like you said, Jack was the cool kid in school and Beckett a wannabe.
Victorian sexuality, now that's a thread and a half, nobody's introduction to things should include Tom Jones or Fanny Hill.
The fan dance skit was exceptional (and the goof scene where Mr. Depp sucks the liquid into his lungs evidently and loses his voice). Ragetti and Pintal==quite the pair. Oh, boy are there going to be weird dreams running around my sleepy head....
This is all so interesting and I don't know why! lol. I guess it's because we actually see very little of Beckett and in the first two scenes he's in in DMC, we don't know what his plan is. We don't know what he wants, why the compass is so important, etc. But he's so thrilling to watch in how he arrests Will and Liz (and calls for James, which is just part of his sadistic humor), how he talks Will into going and getting the compass, how he plays with Liz's mind, and it just goes on.
The DMC commentary by T&T says that they think Jack and Beckett are very similar people in that they know how to work people and get people to do what they want. But it seems they go about it different ways. Jack has scorned the establishment, choosing to model himself after Barbossa and other pirates. He wants no ties that will bind him to anyone or anything.
Beckett, though, seems to embrace the establishment and has made it work for him. He wasn't born the head of the EITC so he had to work his way up some kind of ladder and now he can use his power and position for his own goals. But yet he seems jealous of Jack too, always wanting to bring him down. Maybe it's because he knows pirates don't fall under his control because they exist outside the establishment. Maybe it's because Jack is free to be as sexual as he wants. It's even a running joke how many women Jack has "loved" over the years. It's a perfect Ahab/Moby Dick relationship where if Ahab can't capture his whale and have it for his own to do with what he wants, he'll destroy it and in the process destroy himself.
hahaha oh yes... ahab and the whale....
I think Beckett's line "It's Lord now, actually" pretty much sealed the deal for me right away in film 2 that Beckett uses his sexuality to get places--- but definitely not in the same way Jack does.
i agree with you Tex, there is a ton of sexual ambiguity in the films. i think that's what makes it so fun. most of it happens just enough below the surface to make it difficult to articulate. but it provides this undercurrent of tension, throws an interesting wrench into character interactions, and messes with your head.
because, we all saw serious chemistry between Jack and Elizabeth--- and its only fair to acknowledge that Beckett seems to have chemistry with everyone too... once he gets into proximity with them.
"you can fight and all of you will die, or you can surrender and only most of you will die"--- and we all know what that means. No wonder Jack allows Elizabeth to make them all fight. 😉
Hmm, who would I have voted off? I'm sure selina would have voted off Elizabeth and steal all the men for herself, lol. Kate would vote off Mercer...I would probably still vote off Tia. I don't like her and even though she's interesting and brings a lot to the table, she flirts too much with Jack and Will, would just do the same to James and would parade around acting like she owned the place.
Don't know about voting off the cove--but I'm back to the intriguing KISS proximity theory--get within range and thoughts turn to naughties, love this theory by the way-- Jack = Beckett...ummm, the way that works for me is that both Jack and apparently Beckett can ascertain what another person wants. With Jack, Mr. Use Carrot, encourage that person to want that (which gets Jack what he wants) though Beckett appears to take the stick route, force a person to get that thing, (which gets Beckett what he wants). Beckett would force you to walk the plank, Jack could somehow tell you to go jump in the ocean and make you look forward to the swim.
Jack just standing beside you would cause your brain to go into overdrive, wouldn't it--the brighter the person, seems to me, the more confusion would be provoked. To best Jack, well, that would require doing. Jack never appeared to struggle to outwit anyone, except for Davy Jones--maybe he wasn't as far ahead of Tia Dalma as he would have liked to be, but it was fun at the time....
on Tex, you always have such a way of putting things.
If Jack told me to jump in the ocean, if Jack told me anything really, I'd have a difficult time saying no. He's a very persuasive character. I don't think I've known anyone in real life quite that charming. it's a shame. people should be more like Jack in general, I think.