Originally posted by Lady Fox
So if I play classic Warcraft III trough, I will get a definate source that says he grew in abnormal size (Relativly speaking), due to the power of the World Tree?
possibly, or its a document ive read, i definatley remember him growing because of it, it seems only in recent text he grows larger simply because he wishes to
ill look around for where it says it, it used to say it on WoWwiki but thats been replaced with a book excert
At the birth of his vast magic, Archimonde already at that time could shift his size at will. Although I will play the game and see there as well, for I have no memory that he fed even the slightest from the World Tree.
Although, since it is not stated in any book what you say; If it is not stated in the game, then it is pretty much your source that is wrong.
And for your own sake, do not trust WoWWiki too much.
Originally posted by Lady Fox
Think like this:In the original game, Archimonde had the size of an Eredar. Kil'Jaeden had the size of a mountain. Kil'Jaeden may be more powerful, but shape/size-shifting is a very basic power.
And like I said, in the book he shapeshifted already at the birth of his new powers.
"shrug" how old is the book relative to the game, i definaltey remember at some point it was the tree that increased his power but no matter
we always start debating pointless things, as if shapeshifting is a matter.....also Killy the size of a mountain in the game? when....i mean hes the size of a cliff or such but not rly a proper mountain, when? ime thinking of when he comes to Illidan
Originally posted by Lady Fox1. Ohhhh...so now Archy has limitless power? No he doesn't, not even Sarg's power was limitless. Archy, Lich King, and Killy are all "one of the most powerful". Hell, Jaina Proudmore is one of the most powerful, because she is stronger than the majority.
1. Lich King is an unknown. An unknown with a limit. The limit being that he is ONE of the most powerful on Azeroth. Archimonde walked uneffected trough the entire land. Archimonde who more or less annhiliated Malorne.2. Pyron was beat up by a vampire. Ganondorf gets beat up by a teenager (Repeatingly). A gigantic dinosaur gets beat up by a plummer. A powerful dark magiciant gets beat up by a baby dragon. Phoenix is killed by Wolverine.
It is called plot advancement events and in a lot of the cases, the defeat of a character does not mean they have met their match.
3. Illidan has nothing to do with this discussion. When someone says "One of the most powerful beings" I think top 5, which would make Lich King aspect level. If they had said "THE most powerful being", then I would not bother arguing this point, because that means he can actually match the most powerful Burning Legion member. But since he is one of a number, he should not be assumed to be one of the most powerful beings in the universe.
4. Nozdormu could never beat Archimonde heads up. Nozdormu may be the undying one, but simply because he will more or less never die, does not mean he can kill someone of Archimonde's level. If anyone is going to stand a chance against Archimonde, it is Neltharion or possibly Malygos. Although I am not saying they would win, but if anyone would put up a fight it would be them.
5. Like I said in point 2, it is called plot advancement events. You are saying that the Pit Lord leader that slaughtered thousands, is rated a top member of the Burning Legion and walked by his own towards the front lines of the Azeroth defense (Killing thousands) is killed by a swing of an axe, simply because Grom is better? For a starter, Mannoroth is better than Grom in ALL areas. He is faster, stronger, more endurant, more bloodthirsty, more intellectual, more magical and larger than Hellscream. Mannoroth is the demon who cause earthquakes by stomping in the ground.
Mannoroth did not die because he was a garbage warrior. He died because the story of Warcraft had to move on. If Mannoroth would have been like he is in the books, Thrall and Grom would have been squished carrots (Green carrots). The horde would never have lasted, the Warsong clan would have died and World of Warcraft would have never been born. Mannoroth HAD to die.
I appreciate that you are a dick. That way I can elaborate my view better 😄
(Edited a point, because proof that I do not have would have been demanded)
2. Bad examples. Pyron weakened himself before fighting the DSers, and Demitri is not some weak vampire either, he has powerful magic(which is something Pyron has never encountered before), great strength, speed and durability, and he even remarked after the battle that Pyron was a worthy opponent. Ganondorf gets beaten by Link because he has the necessary stuff to beat him, he has ALWAYS had help when fighting Ganondorf, and Link himself is no normal human. Mario is well beyond human capabilities as well, and Bowser is slow and sluggish. Are you talking about Spyro? Who is this powerful Dark Magician? Ripto? Ripto is also a midgit. That game is their for funsies, not for having a serious story(I like it, but it is not serious). Phoenix getting killed by Wolvie? Did that happen in the comics or just the movie?
3. Illidan is one of the most powerful beings in Azeroth. Arthas was above him, and now has fused with another being who has grown in great power.
4. What? Idk, the way some members here hyped him, I just assumed he could...they said he would stomp Pyron...
5. Mannoroth seemed pretty sluggish to me. He could run fast, but not fight fast, and his stomach is well exposed and appears softer than the rest of his skin, Grom found an opening and hacked his weak spot. 🙂
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Ohhhh...so now Archy has limitless power? No he doesn't, not even Sarg's power was limitless. Archy, Lich King, and Killy are all "one of the most powerful". Hell, Jaina Proudmore is one of the most powerful, because she is stronger than the majority.2. Bad examples. Pyron weakened himself before fighting the DSers, and Demitri is not some weak vampire either, he has powerful magic(which is something Pyron has never encountered before), great strength, speed and durability, and he even remarked after the battle that Pyron was a worthy opponent. Ganondorf gets beaten by Link because he has the necessary stuff to beat him, he has ALWAYS had help when fighting Ganondorf, and Link himself is no normal human. Mario is well beyond human capabilities as well, and Bowser is slow and sluggish. Are you talking about Spyro? Who is this powerful Dark Magician? Ripto? Ripto is also a midgit. That game is their for funsies, not for having a serious story(I like it, but it is not serious). Phoenix getting killed by Wolvie? Did that happen in the comics or just the movie?
3. Illidan is one of the most powerful beings in Azeroth. Arthas was above him, and now has fused with another being who has grown in great power.
4. What? Idk, the way some members here hyped him, I just assumed he could...they said he would stomp Pyron...
5. Mannoroth seemed pretty sluggish to me. He could run fast, but not fight fast, and his stomach is well exposed and appears softer than the rest of his skin, Grom found an opening and hacked his weak spot. 🙂
1. He does not have limitless powers. He has near to no limits of what he can do with his powers. In Rise of the Horde Velen saw what was to come, and he saw Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden with nearly unlimited magic.
2. Phoenix and Wolverine in the movie.
As for Spyro, it was not Ripto. I can not remember the name. Although I am not sure it was even mentioned 😐
3. Illidan is no match for the Aspects, even if he is one of the most powerful ones, he is not in the top 5, which is what I look at when I hear "One of the most powerful". Arthas is no match for the Aspects. After fusion, Lich King might stand a chance against the Aspects.
4. You have been badly informed. Although I can imagine it is easy to overhype the guy, since he can not die and he is a master of time. However, an attack from Nozdormu would not even harm Pyron. Not even scratch him. Pyron is gigantic and Nozdormu can not even be compared to a pebble from Pyron's view.
5. Mannoroth slashed of arrows with his polearm. Something Grom has never done 🙂
Originally posted by Lady Fox
1. He does not have limitless powers. He has near to no limits of what he can do with his powers. In Rise of the Horde Velen saw what was to come, and he saw Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden with nearly unlimited magic.2. Phoenix and Wolverine in the movie.
As for Spyro, it was not Ripto. I can not remember the name. Although I am not sure it was even mentioned 😐3. Illidan is no match for the Aspects, even if he is one of the most powerful ones, he is not in the top 5, which is what I look at when I hear "One of the most powerful". Arthas is no match for the Aspects. After fusion, Lich King might stand a chance against the Aspects.
4. You have been badly informed. Although I can imagine it is easy to overhype the guy, since he can not die and he is a master of time. However, an attack from Nozdormu would not even harm Pyron. Not even scratch him. Pyron is gigantic and Nozdormu can not even be compared to a pebble from Pyron's view.
5. Mannoroth slashed of arrows with his polearm. Something Grom has never done.
1. from Velens scope of mind, also emphasize on nearly, so nearly limitless magic from velens scope of mind
3. i think Lich King could take an aspect quite handily, altho maybe not illidan, hes quick and powerful but ime not sure he could take an aspect, if he could, Alex would be the one he could take if he could take any
4. he cannot die, no, but he cannot harm Pyron, unless what Darth says is true, about being able to send beings through time
5. still, Mannaroths belley is vulnerable and so is his overall physical form
Originally posted by Burning thought
1. from Velens scope of mind, also emphasize on [B]nearly, so nearly limitless magic from velens scope of mind3. i think Lich King could take an aspect quite handily, altho maybe not illidan, hes quick and powerful but ime not sure he could take an aspect, if he could, Alex would be the one he could take if he could take any
4. he cannot die, no, but he cannot harm Pyron, unless what Darth says is true, about being able to send beings through time
5. still, Mannaroths belley is vulnerable and so is his overall physical form [/B]
1. Nearly limitless magic from Velen's scope of mind. He said that they would all become all-mighty beings with more power than anyone had ever dreamt of. They would control magic with nearly no limit.
The only flaw in their wonderful blessing, would be the fact that they more or less sold their soul to the devil 😐
3. You think? That was exactly what you whined at me about. What makes you THINK he can take any aspect handily?
4. Neither of the two would ever be able to kill the other.
5. Mannoroth's belly is not vulnerable. It is one of his most endurant location, which is why his defeat is more frustrating than anything. Mannoroth charged armies of archers and mages and he barely bothered protecting himself.
Then...... one axe swings in his direction and penetrates his chest and shield.
Originally posted by Lady Fox
1. Nearly limitless magic from Velen's scope of mind. He said that they would all become all-mighty beings with more power than anyone had ever dreamt of. They would control magic with nearly no limit.The only flaw in their wonderful blessing, would be the fact that they more or less sold their soul to the devil 😐
3. You think? That was exactly what you whined at me about. What makes you THINK he can take any aspect handily?
4. Neither of the two would ever be able to kill the other.
5. Mannoroth's belly is not vulnerable. It is one of his most endurant location, which is why his defeat is more frustrating than anything. Mannoroth charged armies of archers and mages and he barely bothered protecting himself.
Then...... one axe swings in his direction and penetrates his chest and shield.
1. lies, no way would they ever gain infnite magic powers greater than any other, how would that be possible?
what devil...theres no devil in Warcraft..
3. no i moaned because you kept saying satements without saying thats all you think, you made it sound like it was fact, but i think he can because thats what Blizzard are sending him against
4. nope, unless Noz BFR, then he wins through that
5. "shrug" maybe its a better axe than all the measly weapons of the average things he was fighting perhaps, its gorwhowl, apprently a powerful axe
Originally posted by Burning thought
1. lies, no way would they ever gain infnite magic powers greater than any other, how would that be possible?what devil...theres no devil in Warcraft..
3. no i moaned because you kept saying satements without saying thats all you think, you made it sound like it was fact, but i think he can because thats what Blizzard are sending him against
4. nope, unless Noz BFR, then he wins through that
5. "shrug" maybe its a better axe than all the measly weapons of the average things he was fighting perhaps, its gorwhowl, apprently a powerful axe
1. Magic greater than anything they had ever dreamt of. Sorry, I meant the Eredar and not the whole universe. They are limited only by the capabilities of their minds. Which is why it is called "Near limitless"
I almost find that insultive. I know there is no devil. They sold their soul to the most evil of entities in the entire universe. Respective being the Devil on earth. I did not mean litteraly the devil.
And on the side of everything, with a academical translation, Devil means: "The major personified spirit of evil" (Looked it up 😛 )
3. Blizzard is not sending Lich King against any of the aspects 😐
4. He can not move Pyron.
5. Which makes a little more sense when you think about it. It was Gorehowl that killed Mannoroth and not Grom.
Originally posted by Lady Fox
1. Magic greater than anything they had ever dreamt of. Sorry, I meant the Eredar and not the whole universe. They are limited only by the capabilities of their minds. Which is why it is called "Near limitless"I almost find that insultive. I know there is no devil. They sold their soul to the most evil of entities in the entire universe. Respective being the Devil on earth. I did not mean litteraly the devil.
And on the side of everything, with a academical translation, Devil means: "The major personified spirit of evil" (Looked it up 😛 )
3. Blizzard is not sending Lich King against any of the aspects 😐
4. He can not move Pyron.
5. Which makes a little more sense when you think about it. It was Gorehowl that killed Mannoroth and not Grom.
1."shrug"
3. Lich king is going agsint the aspects and is even looking to destroy elune herself, hes going aganst them, if hes not fighting them himself then hes got the power to create some kind of minsion to fight them, thats impresive as well
4. why? i thought it was stated he can move others through time, i think thats what Darth said
5. yes Gorehowl wielded by Grom
Originally posted by Burning thought
1."shrug"3. Lich king is going agsint the aspects and is even looking to destroy elune herself, hes going aganst them, if hes not fighting them himself then hes got the power to create some kind of minsion to fight them, thats impresive as well
4. why? i thought it was stated he can move others through time, i think thats what Darth said
5. yes Gorehowl wielded by Grom
3. Sargeras went against the entire universe. WOAH! He can kill the entire universe. This is a sensational discovery!
4. He can create portals. But creating portals take time. And he can not create planet sized portals.
5. Gorehowl wielded by Velen would have killed Mannoroth too in that case.
Originally posted by Lady Fox
3. Sargeras went against the entire universe. WOAH! He can kill the entire universe. This is a sensational discovery!4. He can create portals. But creating portals take time. And he can not create planet sized portals.
5. Gorehowl wielded by Velen would have killed Mannoroth too in that case.
3. no he didnt..lol, he went against the "wishes" of the pantheon, never truly in battle againt them, the only beings he went against he defeated mostly, apart from ofc Azeroth really, however Lich King is being put up against aspects and elune, Blizzard wouldnt put him up against those if they didnt think he had a chance
4. hmm if you think so
5. erm yeh, but it wasnt Velen who did it, its Grom
3. 😐 I will not even dignify that ignorance with a counter.
4. I do not think. I know he can not create portals the size of a planet. No one in Warcraft's history has ever done so. There is not even any beings in Warcraft that is of that size themselves.
5. It was Gorehowl that did the deed, not Grom.
Originally posted by Lady Fox
3. 😐 I will not even dignify that ignorance with a counter.4. I do not think. I know he can not create portals the size of a planet. No one in Warcraft's history has ever done so. There is not even any beings in Warcraft that is of that size themselves.
5. It was Gorehowl that did the deed, not Grom.
3. no ignorence at alll, simple a counter to your foolery 🙂
4. ofc their not that size, but who says he has to create a portal to travel through time, but anyway its irrelevent, he would never be defeaten by pyron
5. through the will of Grom, also Velen would not have to use an axe, he would blast Mannaroth to pieces with magic, i doubt Velen would do it with Gorehowl at all
3. Do some reading on Sargeras main plan, will ya? He started war against the entire universe AND the Pantheon. Against ALL life. He wanted to reset the universe. But even if he did not start a war against the universe (Which he did), he did declare himself enemy of the Pantheon. So by default, you think Sargeras can kill the entire Pantheon? He declared himself an enemy of all life. Or are you saying the Pantheon is not living? Maybe none in the universe is living? He started war against the void. He can not kill anything?
He started war against all life. So by your logic, he can kill all living beings.
4. Nozdormu does not need a portal to travel trough time. But in order to bring others with him, he will need a portal.
And it was what I said. Pyron can not defeat him, and he can not defeat Pyron.
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Originally posted by Lady Fox
3. Do some reading on Sargeras main plan, will ya? He started war against the entire universe AND the Pantheon. Against ALL life. He wanted to reset the universe. But even if he did not start a war against the universe (Which he did), he did declare himself enemy of the Pantheon. So by default, you think Sargeras can kill the entire Pantheon? He declared himself an enemy of all life. Or are you saying the Pantheon is not living? Maybe none in the universe is living? He started war against the void. He can not kill anything?He started war against all life. So by your logic, he can kill all living beings.
4. Nozdormu does not need a portal to travel trough time. But in order to bring others with him, he will need a portal.
And it was what I said. Pyron can not defeat him, and he can not defeat Pyron.
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3. no he started war against all life, but he doesnt fight all life, he doesnt fight the parthanon, wheras Lich king is more centralised, across the planet he is starting war on all of these things, he is likely to fight them, the parthanon are a group across the entire universe, and weve seen his story, and how it played out, but just because he is starting a war against them doesnt mean he is going to win, i didnt say Lich King is definatley going to win, but hes starting a war on them, and hes hell sure not going to start a war with his intellect if hes got no chance against them, your saying Sargerus had no chance? ofc he did...he was almost winning, Lich King is starting a war on Aspects and Elune, Blizzard are not putting him against them if hes nothing to them, i think simply the fact Blizzard putting LK vs aspects, mean he is worthy of at least aspect level
5. indeed....
Originally posted by Burning thought
3. no he started war against all life, but he doesnt fight all life, he doesnt fight the parthanon, wheras Lich king is more centralised, across the planet he is starting war on all of these things, he is likely to fight them, the parthanon are a group across the entire universe, and weve seen his story, and how it played out, but just because he is starting a war against them doesnt mean he is going to win, i didnt say Lich King is definatley going to win, but hes starting a war on them, and hes hell sure not going to start a war with his intellect if hes got no chance against them, your saying Sargerus had no chance? ofc he did...he was almost winning, Lich King is starting a war on Aspects and Elune, Blizzard are not putting him against them if hes nothing to them, i think simply the fact Blizzard putting LK vs aspects, mean he is worthy of at least aspect level5. indeed....
3. I agree. He is Aspect level.