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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I think Omniverse might have been around before him. But he certainly made it popular. Shame that he died so young.

Not in the shape he introduced it, before his definition a omniverse was a gathering of all universes, litterally ALL, Ours, marvels etc all realities side by side always expanding, that is the way he describe it in his book, before he changed it into the fashion that is known today, it's been a long time since I have read the book but it was quiet fascinating reading.

But as said earlier if we are talking about copyright then Marvel is the one that should according to this be the company most entitled to use it. IMO of cause 🙂

Originally posted by starlock
Another shame is..... soon after his wife died....they killed off quasar/wendal

There were quite a few comics legends who died young. We had a bad 15 years or so around that time. And Quasar is like one of the best characters ever. I was buying star masters partly becuz he was in it. I don't like the chick version at all.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Not in the shape he introduced it, before his definition a omniverse was a gathering of all universes, litterally ALL, Ours, marvels etc all realities side by side always expanding, that is the way he describe it in his book, before he changed it into the fashion that is known today, it's been a long time since I have read the book but it was quiet fascinating reading.

But as said earlier if we are talking about copyright then Marvel is the one that should according to this be the company most entitled to use it. IMO of cause 🙂

Nah. Marvel only owns terms and words created while the person is in thier employ. Omniverse was used before Mark used it. He just changed it to fiction only. But Other artist and writers had always thought the term was public domain becuz of it's joint use.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Nah. Marvel only owns terms and words created while the person is in thier employ. Omniverse was used before Mark used it. He just changed it to fiction only. But Other artist and writers had always thought the term was public domain becuz of it's joint use.

Which he was when he printed the book, he was hired in 1980 I believe and the book was written in 1982 if I remember correct.

And none was basically using it before mark introduced it 🙂 and remade it into fiction, thus making that version of omniverse his/marvel's (this is beginning to go far out) 😂

Originally posted by Utrigita
Which he was when he printed the book, he was hired in 1980 I believe and the book was written in 1982 if I remember correct.

And none was basically using it before mark introduced it 🙂

George Lucas used Omniverse way back in the star wars days. That I"m almost positive of.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
George Lucas used Omniverse way back in the star wars days. That I"m almost positive of.

I think it was the term Multiverse he used but I could be wrong and it still wasn't the fiction version that was first introduced in 1982 🙂

Originally posted by Utrigita
Which he was when he printed the book, he was hired in 1980 I believe and the book was written in 1982 if I remember correct.

And none was basically using it before mark introduced it 🙂 and remade it into fiction, thus making that version of omniverse his/marvel's (this is beginning to go far out) 😂

mark's version of the omniverse wasn't made for Marvel. It was for another publication. If anything, that publication would pwn the rights to the term. But since mark didn't copy right the term, it's called Public Domain by the law.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
mark's version of the omniverse wasn't made for Marvel. It was for another publication. If anything, that publication would pwn the rights to the term. But since mark didn't copy right the term, it's called Public Domain by the law.

No but marvel printed his book I believe (though I will admit that I didn't pay much attention to how printed it.)

So all this talk about marvel being sued because they are using the term wrongly is basically hot air???

If you guys are talking about Omniverse, it was before he signed with Marvel.

Originally posted by Utrigita
No but marvel printed his book I believe (though I will admit that I didn't pay much attention to how printed it.)

So all this talk about marvel being sued because they are using the term wrongly is basically hot air???

Who said marvel was being sued? 😕

Originally posted by Juntai
If you guys are talking about Omniverse, it was before he signed with Marvel.

Wasn't the book printed in 1982 and he was signed at marvel in 1978??? ore have I mixed the two years up 😕

Looking at the definition of it... omniverse and Omniverse, with a capitol are the differentiate in meaninings. One is a gathering of universes, one is all universes.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Who said marvel was being sued? 😕

Leonheartmm a few pages back talked about marvel being sued because they overstepped the cppy right law.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Leonheartmm a few pages back talked about marvel being sued because they overstepped the cppy right law.

They could be if they try and copyright the term omniverse. You cannot copyright something that is considered Public Domain and given freely by the creator to the public.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Wasn't the book printed in 1982 and he was signed at marvel in 1980??? ore have I mixed the two years up 😕

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
They could be if they try and copyright the term omniverse. You cannot copyright something that is considered Public Domain and given freely by the creator to the public.

okay

Originally posted by Juntai
He signed with Marvel in 1978, after showing Omniverse to Jim Shooter.

Okay I got it mixed together then my bad

Originally posted by Utrigita
Okay I got it mixed together then my bad

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I think Omniverse might have been around before him.
But he certainly made it popular.

Mark definitely invented the phrased term "Omniverse"

"Mark was hired as an assistant editor at Marvel Comics on February 13, 1978 after submitting a sample of his work to Editor in Chief, Jim Shooter. The sample, the fanzine Omniverse, was in certain ways a precursor to the sort of work Gruenwald would later become notorious for."

Omniverse, as we know, is just a term he came up with by simply adding
"Omni" ... which means "All" ... to "verse"

So we have "Uni" for one ... and "Multi" ... for multiple ... and "Mega" ... for very large.

Then he expanded its meaning of "Omniverse" with the consent of other Comic Companies.

So there's Mark's "Omniverse" which means little to nothing nowadays,
and there's Marvel's or whoever else's Omniverse, which is what stories are built on,
atleast in Marvel.
.......................................................................................

I'll submit,
Marvel did acknowlegde Gruenwald's expanded definition of "Omniverse"
in their 2005 alternate universe handbook,
but evidently,
Marvel never implicates that idea in their books.

Aside from that, I believe the idea has been completely eradicated,
since in the 2006 and 2007 official handbooks,
the "Omniverse" simply means ... "All Universes in Marvel"
On Panel, the Marvel Omniverse has been officially canon since 1992,
but the term itself was being used by Alan Moore in the non-canon UK Marvel titles,
back in 1983.

This leads me to believe,
that the 2005 handbook acknowledgement of Mark's creation,
was out of respect ... (since it was their first "alternate universe" handbook)
instead of consequential info to the readers concerning Marvel's cosmology.

After all, he actually came up with the idea for "Handbooks" in Marvel.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Shame that he died so young.

Originally posted by Juntai
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Creator:Gruenwald%2C_Mark

Yep to it mixed up been up since 5:30 a.m so I'm getting sleepy.

But a sidenote he showed a sample of his work, it didn't mention him having printed it ore anything to trying to be right ore stubborn but as said again a bit sleepy. Also I think Marvel printed it, but cannot quiet remember.

A side side note, his book was still printed in 1982 his fanzine as you mentioned is, exactly like you say, made before him being hired by marvel.