Juggernaut/Thor vs Superman/WWH

Originally posted by janus77
Hulk's more than capable. War Hulk could have killed Juggernaut, WWH is far more powerful.

it's on panel that Juggernaut is neither invulnerable (nobody under abstracts is), nor unstoppable (WWH, War Hulk, Onslaught), nor infinitely powerful.

Hulk is - on panel - stated as having infinite strength, having demonstrated it to The Leader, so I think it's quite probably that Hulk'll just reach upto Onslaught or Mindless levels and KO or kill Juggernaut.

war hulk was amped by celestial tech,ww hulk was just uber pissed.
it seems to my that your saying pissed off anger>>celestial tech

juggernuat had the upper hand against ww hulk it was on panel.

Originally posted by skyfather

juggernuat had the upper hand against ww hulk it was on panel.

I've said this to Janus like 3 times in varying threads. He's like Fear of Blood though, just won't admit that Hulk will lose any fight whatsoever.

Originally posted by skyfather
war hulk was amped by celestial tech,ww hulk was just uber pissed.
it seems to my that your saying pissed off anger>>celestial tech

juggernuat had the upper hand against ww hulk it was on panel.

WWH > War Hulk, quite easily.
regular, "adolescent" as Hulk later explained, Savage Hulk is on-panel shown as having infinite strength. unquantifiable, beyond imagining... I would say he has the power yes, quite easily so.

Mindless Hulk broke Onslaught's, matched him and eventually over came him in a slugfest. King Hulk would have broken the Earth, and on Sakaar he literally held a planet together... again, more than enough power to get the job done.

and no, Juggernaut did not have "the upper hand", Juggernaut blindsided Hulk and then got a few punches in, before being stopped in his tracks, then bfr'd. and all that by a Hulk who wasn't even bothered about Juggernaut, who was pulling ALL his punches, ALL the time ...

Originally posted by The Pict
I've said this to Janus like 3 times in varying threads. He's like Fear of Blood though, just won't admit that Hulk will lose [b]any fight whatsoever. [/B]

you think Juggernaut's attacks amounted to anything against Hulk?
you saw what Zom/Strange did, that's a fight. you saw what Sentry did, that was a fight.

Juggernaut was no more of a fight than Thing or Colossus, and Hulk just casually bfr'd him because Hulk had other plans - his revenge agenda.

Originally posted by janus77

and no, Juggernaut did not have "the upper hand", Juggernaut blindsided Hulk and then got a few punches in, before being stopped in his tracks, then bfr'd. and all that by a Hulk who wasn't even bothered about Juggernaut, who was pulling ALL his punches, ALL the time ...

Are you actually serious? I mean really?

Blindsided??? He spoke to the Hulk before he fought with him. Hulk spoke to him before they fought. Juggs even stopped to pose and say "I'm the Juggernaut."

Then he proceded to stomp him (literally)

And he wasn't stopped, as it's shown he was pushing Hulk back, the close up of the ground was there to specifically show this.

Where is it shown he was always pulling his punches?

I have the comic right next to me as I post this, I suggest you do the same.

Originally posted by janus77
yes, when all else fails, resort to insults.

you think Juggernaut's attacks amounted to anything against Hulk?
you saw what Zom/Strange did, that's a fight. you saw what Sentry did, that was a fight.

Juggernaut was no more of a fight than Thing or Colossus, and Hulk just casually bfr'd him because Hulk had other plans - his revenge agenda.

I'm not insulting you, I'm stating a fact, I've yet to see you ever say anything negative about Hulk. It's like your obsessed with proving his the strongest character in a comic ever.

Originally posted by The Pict
Are you actually serious? I mean really?

Blindsided??? He spoke to the Hulk before he fought with him. Hulk spoke to him before they fought. Juggs even stopped to pose and say "I'm the Juggernaut."

Then he proceded to stomp him (literally)

And he wasn't stopped, as it's shown he was pushing Hulk back, the close up of the ground was there to specifically show this.

Where is it shown he was always pulling his punches?

I have the comic right next to me as I post this, I suggest you do the same.

the point is that it Hulk wasn't at all injured, stretched or in any sort of difficulty in that 'fight', he had more 'trouble' with the X-Men. and of course, he was still pulling his punches, as Cho states later.

Originally posted by janus77
they were at a standstill, which was causing the ground to give way. this is precisely what happened when Thor GodBlasted Juggernaut, only because Hulk brf'd Juggernaut rather than keep push him back the ground didn't give way.

the point is that it Hulk wasn't at all injured, stretched or in any sort of difficulty in that 'fight', he had more 'trouble' with the X-Men. and of course, he was still pulling his punches, as Cho states later.

Okay so Juggernaut is going to town on Hulk and Hulk pulls his punches? 🙄

Again the close up to the ground shows Hulk is being pushed back. I dunno why you fail to see it.

Originally posted by The Pict
I'm not insulting you, I'm stating a fact, I've yet to see you ever say anything negative about Hulk. It's like your obsessed with proving his the strongest character in a comic ever.

I'm not "intent on proving" something that is already on-panel, Hulk is what they say he is, I just don't see any reason to deny it.

if The Leader tests Hulk's strength and says it's infinite, I take it that it is.
if Stranger, Beyonder and others say he has "infinite power/energy/potential", I see that as Marvel speaking about the character.

that's about the gist of it, as far as my thoughts on that point go.

going back to your comment on having "anything negative to say", why should I? this forum has a strong anti-Hulk bias anyway, quite a lot of people have an irrational dislike for the character... dismissing or diminishing or outright contradicting the on-panel evidence of what Hulk is, which is substantially more than just a "brick".

put him up against characters who can mess with his Gamma or have speed and durability enough to bfr him and his short comings are exposed, but pit him against other "strong guys" and he will always come out on top (and before you ask, no this doesn't mean pit him against Galactus or something).

Originally posted by skyfather
war hulk was amped by celestial tech,ww hulk was just uber pissed.
it seems to my that your saying pissed off anger>>celestial tech

juggernuat had the upper hand against ww hulk it was on panel.

It was Hulk own enrgy the celestial tech was manifesting It was not giving him extra power. this by now should be common knowledge.( Personally i still say WH>>WWH)
Juggernaut might have had the upper hand but you have to consider that WWH was focusing on a greater goal and considered the whole jugs fight a waste of his time.

Not to mention savage hulk was able to beat classic jugs anyways.

Originally posted by The Pict
Okay so Juggernaut is going to town on Hulk and Hulk pulls his punches? 🙄

Again the close up to the ground shows Hulk is being pushed back. I dunno why you fail to see it.

and no, the whole point of the Mansion grounds beginning to give was that Juggernaut's forward momentum was directed downwards, as it failed to steamroller past Hulk. that's what made for the momentum which propelled Juggernaut into the water.

Is BFR off? If yes, Team 1 wins?

Originally posted by janus77
well then, you might need to read my postings more thoroughly.

I'm not "intent on proving" something that is already on-panel, Hulk is what they say he is, I just don't see any reason to deny it.

if The Leader tests Hulk's strength and says it's infinite, I take it that it is.
if Stranger, Beyonder and others say he has "infinite power/energy/potential", I see that as Marvel speaking about the character.

that's about the gist of it, as far as my thoughts on that point go.

going back to your comment on having "anything negative to say", why should I? this forum has a strong anti-Hulk bias anyway, quite a lot of people have an irrational dislike for the character... dismissing or diminishing or outright contradicting the on-panel evidence of what Hulk is, which is substantially more than just a "brick".

put him up against characters who can mess with his Gamma or have speed and durability enough to bfr him and his short comings are exposed, but pit him against other "strong guys" and he will always come out on top (and before you ask, no this doesn't mean pit him against Galactus or something).

"but pit him against other "strong guys" and he will always come out on top "

Yet he doesn't always come out on top.

Originally posted by The Pict
"but pit him against other "strong guys" and he will always come out on top "

Yet he doesn't always come out on top.

I havemt seen the hulk lose many purely physical battles.

Originally posted by The Pict
"but pit him against other "strong guys" and he will always come out on top "

Yet he doesn't always come out on top.

on the forums, you're going by the character's powers, feats and determination to win... given the circs, without somehow tilting the battle field to prevent Hulk getting into a slugfest, most other characters cannot reasonably win.

The only person that wasn't going balls to the wall in the Juggernaut vs. WWH fight was the Juggernaut. He was easily distracted by Prof. X. If he was going 100% like most seem to claim he was, he wouldn't even notice Prof. X. screaming at him.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
The only person that wasn't going balls to the wall in the Juggernaut vs. WWH fight was the Juggernaut. He was easily distracted by Prof. X. If he was going 100% like most seem to claim he was, he wouldn't even notice Prof. X. screaming at him.

✅ I was going to mention that, before he was bfr he turned away from the Hulk.
Still the only conceivable way for Hulk to beat Juggernaut is by bfr so it was gonna happen whether he was distracted or not.

Marvel themselves admit Hulk has never beaten Juggernaut in a fair fight.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Marvel themselves admit Hulk has never beaten Juggernaut in a fair fight.

So he's what, their icon "never lost a battle" but biggest possible loser character?

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
So he's what, their icon "never lost a battle" but biggest possible loser character?

What's the point of this?

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Marvel themselves admit Hulk has never beaten Juggernaut in a fair fight.

And neither has the juggernaut beaten the hulk in fair fight. The most conclusive fight theyve ever had aside ( aside War hulk vs juggernaut) was savage hulk vs classic jugs where savage hulk hurled jugs into a mountain and removed his helmet. Savage hulk then started walking away but shortly after jugs stood up and wanted to attack savage hulk from behind b4 xavier and the xmen came along and mindblasted him. The only time jugs has beaten hulk was when he cheapshotted a professor hulk that did not evn want to attack him but who was actually trying to help him.