Originally posted by janus77
Surfer solos.
if Superman can hang with it, Surfer can hang it!
Superman didn't hang with Hunter Prey.
A motherbox-amped Superman was shredded by Doomsday.
Further - by your definition, Superman has 'hung' with Imperiex, the Antimonitor, and Dominus.
Who the Surfer would shit stomp? ❌.
surfer rewrites DD's DNA and makes him into a docile llama.
come on, Surfer's far stronger and more durable than Superman, far faster, has stupendous variety of offensive options, can matter manipulate DD too and most importantly combine it with CA to really deconstruct DD on the sub-atomic, atomic, molecular and cellular levels.
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
About half of janus's post is rightAnd the other half is pure fail
It will all be pure fail (most likly) If someone can tell me is DD's ever had his Dna changed before
Actually Lex has changed his DNA to make DD weak to Kryptonite.
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He also altered Doomsday's DNA to make him think that the Imperiex drones were Superman.
Oh and Silver Surfer soloes. H/P can adapt, but not being dying. Silver Surfer can come up with an endless variety of different energy signatures, so while Doomsday may adapt to one, Silver Surfer can simply switch spectrum and annihilate Doomsday.
Surfer's versatility is the key to victory here, not his raw power.
Originally posted by Kutulu
Oh and Silver Surfer soloes. H/P can adapt, but not being dying. Silver Surfer can come up with an endless variety of different energy signatures, so while Doomsday may adapt to one, Silver Surfer can simply switch spectrum and annihilate Doomsday.Surfer's versatility is the key to victory here, not his raw power.
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Surfer isnt that smart thou
Reforms Obliterators' weapons into harmless ones:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/silver_surfer_1987_005_21.jpg
Transforms Nebulosa's armor, locking her within:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1995_110_20.jpg
Causes Jack of Hearts pain via transforming his internal energies:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Cosmic_Powers_Unlimited_03_21.jpg
Absorbs and redirects the psychokinetic energy of Psycho-man:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_144_06.jpg
Re-arranges nanotech armor of Alicia Masters:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer2-13.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer2-14.jpg
Takes off a plague from thousands of bodies, cell by cell:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosPowUnlim_1996_004_27.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosPowUnlim_1996_004_28.jpg
Thinking in Superspeed (In less than a nano-second he analyses the situation and gain self confidence to escape.
Just to measure a nanosecond. A blink, an automatic one, that everybody blinks few times every minutes and we can't realize that we blink because it's so fast. It lasts fifty million nano-seconds.
In a nanosecond, the light covers only 30 centimeters.)
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/marvel_comics_presents_001-29.jpg
Evolves an entire planet billions of years:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Vol3-015b.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Vol3-016.jpg
Heals Thor:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Avengers_v2_012_38.jpg
Defeats the Champion:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/silver_surfer_1987_001_10.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/silver_surfer_1987_001_11.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/silver_surfer_1987_001_12.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/silver_surfer_1987_001_13.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/silver_surfer_1987_001_14.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/silver_surfer_1987_001_15.jpg
Imprisons Genis within his board:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_17.jpg
Defeats a psionic entity with a telepathic bolt:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_minus1_p17.jpg
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http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_minus1_p21.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_minus1_p22.jpg
Compresses his body into the microverse:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer2-19a.jpg
Goes through the whole electromagnetic spectrum looking for Thanos:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_037-02.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_037-03.jpg
Analyzes the Hulk's energies:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_15.jpg
Blasts Orion like a chump in a non-canon crossover:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Darkseid_vs_Galactus33.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Darkseid_vs_Galactus37.jpg
Surfer easily has the speed to get it done, the power range to do it, and the knowledge of energy to figure it out.
It was probably about a year ago when I was debating with someone about Surfer fighting Doomsday. I didn't know that much about Doomsday's evolving abilities, and my worthy opponent made the case that Doomsday -- by definition (or original conception) -- is immune to energy attacks. He posted scans from DD's battle with the Radiant (I believe it was), scans showing the Radiant not only being unable to rewrite DD's DNA, but DD reflecting the Radiant's energy right back at him, taking him out.
I was making the case that the Surfer could undermine the very mechanism (whether it be genetic, molecular or quantum-level) which enables DD to evolve in the first place, but since this still involved an application of energy, my opponent insisted this too would fail.
I backed off mainly because, again, I didn't know that much about Doomsday, and I accepted that -- by definition -- this is what DD is about. I don't like this line of thinking, it reinforces in my mind the "plot device" aspect of the Doomsday character. Nonetheless, at the time, I felt I was respecting this Doomsday aspect by conceding that only through BFR could the Surfer win.
However, if Lex Luthor could change DD's DNA...then I am inclined to rethink the outcome of a Surfer vs DD fight, sans BFR (ie, that SS should be able to come up with some form of energy attack able to neutralize Doomsday, or at least first take out his ability to adapt to attacks).
Originally posted by Mindship
It was probably about a year ago when I was debating with someone about Surfer fighting Doomsday. I didn't know that much about Doomsday's evolving abilities, and my worthy opponent made the case that Doomsday -- by definition (or original conception) -- is immune to energy attacks. He posted scans from DD's battle with the Radiant (I believe it was), scans showing the Radiant not only being unable to rewrite DD's DNA, but DD reflecting the Radiant's energy right back at him, taking him out.I was making the case that the Surfer could undermine the very mechanism (whether it be genetic, molecular or quantum-level) which enables DD to evolve in the first place, but since this still involved an application of energy, my opponent insisted this too would fail.
I backed off mainly because, again, I didn't know that much about Doomsday, and I accepted that -- by definition -- this is what DD is about. I don't like this line of thinking, it reinforces in my mind the "plot device" aspect of the Doomsday character. Nonetheless, at the time, I felt I was respecting this Doomsday aspect by conceding that only through BFR could the Surfer win.
However, if Lex Luthor could change DD's DNA...then I am inclined to rethink the outcome of a Surfer vs DD fight, sans BFR (ie, that SS should be able to come up with some form of energy attack able to neutralize Doomsday, or at least first take out his ability to adapt to attacks).
The Doomsday being immune to energy is a fallacy. What truly happened was if Doomsday was attacked by a type of energy and died from it, he would become immune or highly resistant to that type of energy.
So in the instance of fighting Radiant, Doomsday's body adapted to Radiant's energy signature so that he could fight him. We know for a fact though that he wasn't immune to all energy, as when he got blasted by Imperiex he was reduced to bones. During H/P he was adapting to energy on the fly, but it still affected him at first, for example Superman using a sonic attack.
So even during H/P we know that Doomsday could be affected by energy, as evidenced by when he got blasted by Darkseid's OE he was clearly put down for a bit, and the sonics did in fact hurt him, at first.
Surfer can manipulate and use just about any energy, so Doomsday might adapt to one attack, Surfer can simply switch the type of energy / wavelength that he is using and continue to affect him. Once he sees what Doomsday is doing then he can overcome it, and he has a history of defeating characters by being inventive with ways to use his cosmic energy and convert one energy source to another. So there is a very clear precedent and case for Surfer winning this fight.
Originally posted by Estacado
The issue where DD's DNA was changed was written by Loeb.
Oh and in the same book Doomsday was breathing flame.haermm
It's still canon.
Originally posted by janus77I disagree.
surfer rewrites DD's DNA and makes him into a docile llama.come on, Surfer's far stronger and more durable than Superman, far faster, has stupendous variety of offensive options, can matter manipulate DD too and most importantly combine it with CA to really deconstruct DD on the sub-atomic, atomic, molecular and cellular levels.
Originally posted by KutuluThis wasn't the full working model of Doomsday. Only his lifeless skeleton that Darkseid retrieved after Imperiex leveled him. Hence his regeneration and evolution factors were not in effect.
Actually Lex has changed his DNA to make DD weak to Kryptonite.
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He also altered Doomsday's DNA to make him think that the Imperiex drones were Superman.
