Bhutto Assassinated

Originally posted by Schecter
while ghandi practiced hinduism he respected islam equally, so i doubt he would have wanted to be included in such a point.

Dalai Lama preaches repsect for Chinese culture and the Chinese, same those who have burned his home and killed his people.

So, care to answer the question?

Tell me of a Muslim who equaly repsected Hindusim/Christianity/Buddhism/Judaism the way those men respected their arch enemies or the way that Islamic person respects his religion.

Originally posted by NASA
Yes Musharraf is better coz he aint no sellout like the rest and puts Pakistan always first

Yes he is better because Democracy isn't allowed to exist martiel law is imposed because he thinks the world sucks and the judges that where neutral was removed and replaced with his own people to assure that he would hold on to the power. Yes he surely picks Pakistan above anything els, after he has reinforced his reigme and used money ment for fighting terrorist in the north pakistan to enchancing his weapon system for a eventual war against Indian thus further increasing a arms race. 👆 he surely puts his country above all els

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
And? That was not the question.

Dalai Lama preaches repsect for Chinese culture and the Chinese, same those who have burned his home and killed his people.

So, care to answer the question?

Tell me of a Muslim who equaly repsected Hindusim/Christianity/Buddhism/Judaism the way those men respected their arch enemies or the way that Islamic person respects his religion.

its really a stupid and pointless question since worldwide fame is its prerequisite, and the implied conclusion is that muslims are selfish and evil and eat babies. so no, i wont answer it.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
And? That was not the question.

Dalai Lama preaches repsect for Chinese culture and the Chinese, same those who have burned his home and killed his people.

So, care to answer the question?

Tell me of a Muslim who equaly repsected Hindusim/Christianity/Buddhism/Judaism the way those men respected their arch enemies or the way that Islamic person respects his religion.

Muhammad, and because of his lingering influence the model for interacial-cultural-religious tolerance that was Islamic Spain. An empire that lasted even longer than the Roman Empire.

Jalaluddin Rumi, the thirteen century turkish muslim poet who used his talent to promote the idea of universal message of love; "I am neither of the East or the West, no boundaries exist in my breast." 😊

Akbar the Great, the lengendary Mughal king was well known becaues of his interfaith tolerance. He had made a Hindu woman his Queen to drive his point about tolerance and acceptance home.

and et al.

ignorance is a prevalent disease. but a teeensy bit of research usually can cure it.🙄

Originally posted by NASA
Yes Musharraf is better coz he aint no sellout like the rest and puts Pakistan always first

Does he support a Democracy in Pakistan, was/is he for making peace with India, like Bhutto ways?

BTW, Musharraf has on more than one occasion suspended the Pakistani Constitution, illegally jailed officials who questioned the validity of his presidency, suppressed human rights, and imposed a shut-out of the media. Yeah, he sure loves the people of Pakistan, oh, he also wears one of the worse toupees I've ever seen.

Originally posted by Punkyhermy
Muhammad, and because of his lingering influence the model for interacial-cultural-religious tolerance that was Islamic Spain. An empire that lasted even longer than the Roman Empire.

Jalaluddin Rumi, the thirteen century turkish muslim poet who used his talent to promote the idea of universal message of love; "I am neither of the East or the West, no boundaries exist in my breast." 😊

Akbar the Great, the lengendary Mughal king was well known becaues of his interfaith tolerance. He had made a Hindu woman his Queen to drive his point about tolerance and acceptance home.

and et al.

ignorance is a prevalent disease. but a teeensy bit of research usually can cure it.🙄

I believe it was Muhammad who preached Islam to be spread by the sword also, so I'm not sure if he practiced tolerance all the time.

Islamic Spain lasted roughly 700 years, Rome was close to 1200 in it's various phases.

Originally posted by Robtard
I believe it was Muhammad who preached Islam to be spread by the sword also, so I'm not sure if he practiced tolerance all the time.

Islamic Spain lasted roughly 700 years, Rome was close to 1200 in it's varies phases.

He never preached Islam by the sword. His wars were always fought in the defensive.

Originally posted by Punkyhermy
Muhammad, and because of his lingering influence the model for interacial-cultural-religious tolerance that was Islamic Spain. An empire that lasted even longer than the Roman Empire.

Jalaluddin Rumi, the thirteen century turkish muslim poet who used his talent to promote the idea of universal message of love; "I am neither of the East or the West, no boundaries exist in my breast." 😊

Akbar the Great, the lengendary Mughal king was well known becaues of his interfaith tolerance. He had made a Hindu woman his Queen to drive his point about tolerance and acceptance home.

and et al.

ignorance is a prevalent disease. but a teeensy bit of research usually can cure it.🙄

Thanks for that...I have never heard of Jalaluddin Rumi...and I probably should have. 🙁

Right now, the Sunni and Shiite muslims in Iraq could use a little bit of Jalaluddin's Message of Love and Jesus Christ's message of forgiving others and turning the other cheek.

Originally posted by Punkyhermy
He [B]never preached Islam by the sword. His wars were always fought in the defensive. [/B]

You know, a defense, would be if the Muslims defended their homeland/borders from invaders (which they did at times), spreading/conquering into Spain, Portugal adn France, was an OFFENSIVE move.

Not saying Muhammad personally did this, just food for though.

Originally posted by Robtard
You know, a defense, would be if the Muslims defended their homeland/borders from invaders (which they did at times), spreading/conquering into Spain, Portugal adn France, was an OFFENSIVE move.

Not saying Muhammad personally did this, just food for though.

But conquering doesn't equal to meaning the spread of Islam by the sword. The latter would be more accurate if the belief system was forced onto the peoples conquered. Which they never were. Did they invade and expand their territory? Yes. Did they let the conquered people practice their own faiths and treat them with respect and kindess? Heck yes.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Thanks for that...I have never heard of Jalaluddin Rumi...and I probably should have. 🙁

Right now, the Sunni and Shiite muslims in Iraq could use a little bit of Jalaluddin's Message of Love and Jesus Christ's message of forgiving others and turning the other cheek.

mhmm. but the root of most problems in that region of the world today is backwardness and the lack of educational institutions. can't really be helped tho, what with the turbulent governments there.😬 these terrorists aren't made becaues that is what their faith teaches them. they are made becaeus they do not possess the adequate education and knowledge to even understand the faith they so wrongly use to justify their actions.😬

Originally posted by Punkyhermy
But conquering doesn't equal to meaning the spread of Islam by the sword. The latter would be more accurate if the belief system was forced onto the peoples conquered. Which they never were. Did they invade and expand their territory? Yes. Did they let the conquered people practice their own faiths and treat them with respect and kindess? Heck yes.

Fair enough, do explain the passage 9:5 in the Qur'an. The "slaying of idolaters wherever you find them", seems a bit intolerant and unrespectful to me.

Originally posted by Punkyhermy
mhmm. but the root of most problems in that region of the world today is backwardness and the lack of educational institutions. can't really be helped tho, what with the turbulent governments there.😬 these terrorists aren't made becaues that is what their faith teaches them. they are made becaeus they do not possess the adequate education and knowledge to even understand the faith they so wrongly use to justify their actions.😬

Originally posted by Robtard
Fair enough, do explain the passage 9:5 in the Qur'an. The "slaying of idolaters wherever you find them", seems a bit intolerant and unrespectful to me.

i am not familiar with that snippet of text you're quoting. i know that it was the people in his town that literally drove muhammd out of there, killed his daughter, his son in law but were met with nothing other than forgiveness on his part.

this "idolator" of a woman,would dump garbage down at him as he'd pass below her house every day. he wouldn't retaliate or get back at her because she was old so he'd just deal with it. one day she gets sick and can't go out to throw her trash on him. so he goes up to check in on her well being. upon finding out about her sickness, he stays and nurses her back to health. she is so impressed by him that she accepts his teachings then and there.

there are many examples from the way he lived life that are very contrary to such snippets of usually misinterpreted text.

Originally posted by Punkyhermy
mhmm. but the root of most problems in that region of the world today is backwardness and the lack of educational institutions. can't really be helped tho, what with the turbulent governments there.😬 these terrorists aren't made becaues that is what their faith teaches them. they are made becaeus they do not possess the adequate education and knowledge to even understand the faith they so wrongly use to justify their actions.😬

I've seen it among Christians too...the use of the "Word" to justify evil doings.

I try to put myself in the shoes of those two Muslim sects...what if my father and sister were blown up by a suicide bomber in the market from the other sect? Would I become angry, if up to that point I was neutral, at the opposing sect and seek my revenge against the people? Hell no. If I would seek the revenge, I would want to kill the bastard who did it, but he is already dead so I would want to go after the bastards who organized the attack...if that is even possible.

In the end, though, I probably wouldn't seek revenge because I probably wouldn't get satisfaction enough. (The killer is already dead.) I am a very vengeful person and I gain great satisfaction from it. I seem to think the my form of revenge, though, is just beating the shit out of someone, not killing them. I would nurse them back to health and then beat the shit out of them again IF they were still alive. Not all Sunnis are bad and not all Shiites are bad in Iraq. In fact, a lot of them are trying to put an end to that BS.

Back on topic...

I believe Islam is being exploited much too often for evil things. Sometimes, I wish religion in general, didn't exist.

Originally posted by Punkyhermy
i am not familiar with that snippet of text you're quoting. i know that it was the people in his town that literally drove muhammd out of there, killed his daughter, his son in law but were met with nothing other than forgiveness on his part.

this "idolator" of a woman,would dump garbage down at him as he'd pass below her house every day. he wouldn't retaliate or get back at her because she was old so he'd just deal with it. one day she gets sick and can't go out to throw her trash on him. so he goes up to check in on her well being. upon finding out about her sickness, he stays and nurses her back to health. she is so impressed by him that she accepts his teachings then and there.

there are many examples from the way he lived life that are very contrary to such snippets of usually misinterpreted text.

It's a passage from the Qu'ran, verse 9:5. "Odolators" are people who worship "idols", i.e. false gods, not Allah.

Originally posted by Robtard
It's a passage from the Qu'ran, verse 9:5. "Odolators" are people who worship "idols", i.e. false gods, not Allah.

In short terms every one els that is what extramist normally cut it downs too.

Normally the christians wouldn't fall under that catagory since we are not worshipping false gods they are only misguided believing Jesus to be the biggest prophet that's what I have learned at school from my teologi teacher, but I isn't that much into it, if someone have a better analyse please let me know 🙂

Originally posted by Utrigita
In short terms every one els that is what extramist normally cut it downs too.

Normally the christians wouldn't fall under that catagory since we are not worshipping false gods they are only misguided believing Jesus to be the biggest prophet that's what I have learned at school from my teologi teacher, but I isn't that much into it, if someone have a better analyse please let me know 🙂

If you're not aware, Christians worship Jesus as God, they're one and the same, to a Christian. Jesus would in a sense, be an idol/false god.

Stop going into religion!
This has nothing to do with religion at all

Originally posted by NASA
Stop going into religion!
This has nothing to do with religion at all

Bhutto's assassination was both politically and religiously motivated.