Sylar, I'm talking about Kun's superiority to Ulic in the sense that Kun is more evil. Yes, Kun was the superior Sith, because of his evilness, not his powers. When he choked those Jedi his power was being added to Kyp Durron's, and weren't those Jedi just Padawans?
And I don't see how Kun could ever be redeemed, he was as evil as Sidious. Who would have redeemed him? Vodo was dead, and nobody else even liked him ever.
Originally posted by darthsith19
Sylar, I'm talking about Kun's superiority to Ulic in the sense that Kun is more evil. Yes, Kun was the superior Sith, because of his evilness, not his powers. When he choked those Jedi his power was being added to Kyp Durron's, and weren't those Jedi just Padawans?And I don't see how Kun could ever be redeemed, he was as evil as Sidious. Who would have redeemed him? Vodo was dead, and nobody else even liked him ever.
Nobody was as evil as Sidious. Nadd comes closest to it but nobody was even in his league.
Originally posted by darthsith19Prove to me ulic is superior to kun in powers, what has ulic done? What has ulic shown? And so what if they were padawans? Would it matter if they were jedi knights? Why would it matter if a far superior force user can break through their defences so easily as bane broke through qoordis defences?
Sylar, I'm talking about Kun's superiority to Ulic in the sense that Kun is more evil. Yes, Kun was the superior Sith, because of his evilness, not his powers. When he choked those Jedi his power was being added to Kyp Durron's, and weren't those Jedi just Padawans?
Again find a quote, or list a feat which puts ulic above kun in terms of power...
Again ragnos wouldn't merely choose a DL for pure evilness, hell if hitler was in TOTJ with simple force abilities, is ragnos going to choose him over exar kun just because he is more evil? Hell No, LOL!.
The burden of proof is ON YOU.
A quote from darth revan says your wrong The Sith must be ruled by a single leader, the very embodiment of the strength and power of the dark side
A quote from darth revan says your wrong The Sith must be ruled by a single leader, the very embodiment of the strength and power of the dark side
Now, the two fought to a stalemate. Is there something that you don't understand about that? A stalemate is a draw, if you don't know, a tie, it means that their even. Ulic was also injured in that fight. Lets say Bruce Lee fights Jackie Chan, and before the fight Bruce Lee gets broken ribs. Then he stalemates Jackie Chan. If he can stalemate him with broken ribs he should be able to win with a healed body, right? You do realize that having an injury will affect how well you fight, run, play sports and perform any other physical activity, don't you?
Again ragnos wouldn't merely choose a DL for pure evilness, hell if hitler was in TOTJ with simple force abilities, is ragnos going to choose him over exar kun just because he is more evil? Hell No, LOL!.
Originally posted by darthsith19Potential, skill, force mastery, knowledge and connection to the force, Exar apparantly surpasses ulic in all these categories.
And what, in your opinion, makes up the strength and power of the dark side?
Originally posted by darthsith19He would label you Dark lord when you have these qualities
How good you are in a fight? Is that all?
Originally posted by darthsith19That does not mean revans quote holds no water, hell even in the ancient times its been said that the strongest sith rule over the others and has been until the rule of two.
And Ragnos [b]isn't Revan, and Revan came after Kun and Ulic's time, anyways.
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So yes, revans quotes DOES hold water, it makes perfect sense, he is merely repeating what has been going on for thousands of years, the strongest sith ruling over the others.
Originally posted by darthsith19And if ulic were more powerful than exar kun as you have yet to prove up, why wouldn't ragnos choose him? Hell how would he tell if he was redeemable? Even palpatine, somebody far superior to ragnos couldn't tell vader was redeemable despite the fact it can be argued he is more evil than alot of past sithlords/
Ragnos can do whatever the f*ck he wants to.
Originally posted by darthsith19FYI if you actually paid attention, nadd set kun up so he can create a body to hold freedon nadds spirit in.
Freedon Nadd set Kun up to become the DLotS,
Originally posted by darthsith19Is there something you don't understand the fact that getting physically injured wont hide your strength in the force? Or are you being stupid on purpose? Again ragnos chose kun because of his superiority to ulic via strength in the force, what part of this don't you get? Or are you argueing because you cannot and will not accept the fact that your wrong?
Now, the two fought to a stalemate. Is there something that you don't understand about that?
Originally posted by darthsith19Right and FYI kun became an even greater duelist after he became the dark lord. Remember how easily and effortlessly he destroyed vodo in a pure saber duel? And the fact he could hardly beat vodo in TOTJ the time where he was in a stalemate with ulic?
A stalemate is a draw, if you don't know, a tie, it means that their even. Ulic was also injured in that fight.
Originally posted by darthsith19You DO realise it makes no relevance when you talk about strength in the force right?
Lets say Bruce Lee fights Jackie Chan, and before the fight Bruce Lee gets broken ribs. Then he stalemates Jackie Chan. If he can stalemate him with broken ribs he should be able to win with a healed body, right? You do realize that having an injury will affect how well you fight, run, play sports and perform any other physical activity, don't you?
Originally posted by darthsith19And has displayed greater strength in the force, choking 20 jedi knights and padawans at once, tearing lukes spirit from his body and instantly killing gantoris, and note that these jedi are powerful enough to send shockwaves from yavin to distort a small imperial fleet.
Ulic is stronger than Kun by a very small margin, while Kun has far more Sith Knowledge and is embraced more deeply in the dark side.
Hell even wookiepedia says your wrong Exar, the more powerful of the two, was appointed the Dark Lord of the Sith, with Ulic as his apprentice, and both were anointed with unknown Sith symbols on their foreheads. With this resolution of the leadership dispute, the Great Sith War had brutally begun.
A quote from freedon nadd to ulic You will be one of the great ones, and there is another even greater than you
Your wrong, accept it and move on with life
Again prove to me with a source that ulic is more powerful than exar kun rather than speculating with NOTHING to back you up.
Potential, skill, force mastery, knowledge and connection to the force, Exar apparantly surpasses ulic in all these categories.
He would label you Dark lord when you have these qualities
1) Supreme power over other opponents
2) Vast force knowledge superior to other sith(Ulic knew shit when compared to kun, knowledge = power)
3) Theres also evilness
Kun has all these thinkgs, all Ulic has is fighting ability over Kun, therefor Kun became DLoTS because Ulic only beat him in one category.
That does not mean revans quote holds no water, hell even in the ancient times its been said that the strongest sith rule over the others and has been until the rule of two.
And if ulic were more powerful than exar kun as you have yet to prove up
why wouldn't ragnos choose him?
Hell how would he tell if he was redeemable?
Even palpatine, somebody far superior to ragnos couldn't tell vader was redeemable despite the fact it can be argued he is more evil than alot of past sithlords/
FYI if you actually paid attention, nadd set kun up so he can create a body to hold freedon nadds spirit in.
Is there something you don't understand the fact that getting physically injured wont hide your strength in the force? Or are you being stupid on purpose? Again ragnos chose kun because of his superiority to ulic via strength in the force, what part of this don't you get? Or are you argueing because you cannot and will not accept the fact that your wrong?
Right and FYI kun became an even greater duelist after he became the dark lord.
Remember how easily and effortlessly he destroyed vodo in a pure saber duel? And the fact he could hardly beat vodo in TOTJ the time where he was in a stalemate with ulic?
You DO realise it makes no relevance when you talk about strength in the force right?
And has displayed greater strength in the force, choking 20 jedi knights and padawans at once, tearing lukes spirit from his body and instantly killing gantoris, and note that these jedi are powerful enough to send shockwaves from yavin to distort a small imperial fleet.
Hell even wookiepedia says your wrong Exar, the more powerful of the two, was appointed the Dark Lord of the Sith, with Ulic as his apprentice, and both were anointed with unknown Sith symbols on their foreheads. With this resolution of the leadership dispute, the Great Sith War had brutally begun.
A quote from freedon nadd to ulic You will be one of the great ones, and there is another even greater than you
You can't use Ulic's injury to claim that he's superior to Kun in saber combat. You're basically saying "If Ulic can stalemate Kun with the injury, how much better would he do if he didn't"? You'd have to prove that his injury was severe enough to hold him back from being 100% sufficient in saber combat. If I'm playing soccer and I have a damaged wrist, it isn't really going to affect my game now is it?
Originally posted by darthsith19Prove to me ulic is better skilled than exar, Prove up or shut the bloody hell up which you have yet to do either.
Yes, all except skill, which is why Ulic would win in a fight. If Ulic is ahead in skill but Kun is ahead in all the other categories then Marka would still make him DLoTS.
Originally posted by darthsith19Far more skill seeing he tooled vodo in TSW with no effort while having alot of difficulty doing so in DLOTS when he "stalemated" with ulic. Hell i could argue ulic was already healed by the time exar arived.
2. Yes, I already said before that Kun had far more Sith knowledge, which is why he was chosen over Ulic.
Originally posted by darthsith19Prove it, just because he got injured doesn't mean shit, hell it wasn't a mortal wound and neither is it an injury which limits his fighting ability. Again prove he is the better fighter.
Kun has all these thinkgs, all Ulic has is fighting ability over Kun, therefor Kun became DLoTS because Ulic only beat him in one category.
Prove up or shut the bloody hell up which you have yet to do either.
Originally posted by darthsith19Then tell me, why the freaking hell was marka the DARK LORD OF THE SITH in the ancient times? Because he is superior to every sith lord in every aspect at that time?
Yes, and Kun is more powerful in the Sith ways than Ulic is, as he has more evilness, Sith Knowledge ect. Where was it stated in the ancient times that the strongest sith rule over the others, anyways?
Originally posted by darthsith19No, Because you have yet to actually prove shit.
Oh my gosh, did you read my post. Ulic and Kun fought. Do you agree with this? And do you agree that they were even in that fight?
Originally posted by darthsith19And stronger force powers, stronger connection to the force and much greater potential. You FAIL to acknowledge this or ACCEPT IT.
As I've stated before, and as even you've stated before, Kun has more Sith knowledge and more evilness [b]by far.
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Originally posted by darthsith19Prove it or shut up. This is the 10th time im asking you who always asks other people to prove shit when you have YET to do SO.;
Ulic is only a tiny bit ahead of Kun in a fight,
Originally posted by darthsith19Kun beats him in all category, if you had common sense you would stop arguing this point.
while Kun is far ahead of Ulic in two categories, so there's no reason that Kun wouldn't be chosen.
Originally posted by darthsith19And the fact remains is you failed to prove or even make a claim as to why ulic is a better fighter other than claiming he was injured.Yes, ebing superior to Ulic, yes, I agree, yes, I agree, I agree, Kun was superior to Ulic, can you get that through your thick skull. I've said, and you've said, and I've said again, and now again, superiority is more than being better in a fight. You have said, and I have said, that evilness, Sith Knowledge and other things also contribute to superiority, not just fighting ability.
Originally posted by darthsith19You obviously have not read TSW, Exar OWNED vodo in a pure saber duel with no effort at all as opposed to him having ALOT of difficulty to merely break vodos stick at the time he stalemated Ulic who is supposidly better.
Proof?
Again asking me to prove shit when you have yet to do so.
Originally posted by darthsith19Again asking me to prove shit when you have yet to do so.
Prove that he couldn't have done that by the time he dueled Ulic. The duel with Ulic was closer to his second duel with Vodo than his first one.
Prove that he could seeing the fact he barely beat vodo and the fact we have not seen him trying to improve on his skills until AFTER DLOTS when he used the DBL.
Originally posted by darthsith19Win in a fight? He could beat somebody who resisted a force sever by somebody FAR more powerful in that technique than nomi who easily pwned ulic with that technique, he could beat somebody who could choke 20 jedi's AS A SPIRIT, He could beat somebody that could use techniques to instantly kill his victims and he could beat somebody who can dissintigrate flesh and bone with his amulets.
Because I'm NOT, I'm talking about who would win in a straight-up fight between Kun and Ulic, I'm saying Ulic would win in a fight, but that overall Kun is superior due to his vast knowledge and evilness.
Knowledge = power friend, and that alone indicates kun is MORE powerful than ulic, Again. Prove up or shut the hell up.
Wow and you have absolutely NOTHING to back you up. Yet you still argue.
Originally posted by darthsith19Do you actually BOTHER to read even anything regarding exar kun? He choked them AS A SPIRIT, NOT when he was with Kyp.And didn't he and Kyp put their powers together to do that? If Kun was ahead of Ulic with the Force do you mind telling me why he didn't just kill Ulic with the Force when they fought?
Oh and thats the best comeback you got? Why don't you tell me if ulic WAS really ahead of kun, why didn't he use the force in that fight? Or have you forgotten that exar kun as of DLOTS is not as powerful as TSW kun?
Originally posted by darthsith19If you could actually read, it wasn't wookiepedia alone, but quotes from revan and freedon nadd. Your a ****ing idiot.
Wow, now your using wookieepedia.
Originally posted by darthsith19Oh but the thing is it IS valid, seeing its backed up by several sources.
🙄 Everytime I've ever tried to use that as a source, people always talk about how it isn't a valid source, you know why I'm sure, because anybody in the entire world can go on there and write whatever kind of shit they want to, whether it is true or not.
Originally posted by darthsith19Power, skill counts too, and theres more than enough evidence to put kun above ulic while you on the other hand have absolutely NOTHING to back you up other than baseless assumptions.
Agreed, but greatness means more than just who would win in a fight.
Prove to me ulic is better skilled than exar, Prove up or shut the bloody hell up which you have yet to do either.
Far more skill seeing he tooled vodo in TSW with no effort while having alot of difficulty doing so in DLOTS when he "stalemated" with ulic. Hell i could argue ulic was already healed by the time exar arived.
And the Vodo thing is all good but for it to be effective you'd have to prove that Kun got stronger after becoming a DLotS and not between the time of his first duel with Vodo and his duel with Ulic.
Prove it, just because he got injured doesn't mean shit, hell it wasn't a mortal wound and neither is it an injury which limits his fighting ability. Again prove he is the better fighter.
Then tell me, why the freaking hell was marka the DARK LORD OF THE SITH in the ancient times? Because he is superior to every sith lord in every aspect at that time?
No, Because you have yet to actually prove shit.
And stronger force powers, stronger connection to the force and much greater potential. You FAIL to acknowledge this or ACCEPT IT.
Prove it or shut up. This is the 10th time im asking you who always asks other people to prove shit when you have YET to do SO.;
You obviously have not read TSW, Exar OWNED vodo in a pure saber duel with no effort at all as opposed to him having ALOT of difficulty to merely break vodos stick at the time he stalemated Ulic who is supposidly better.
And it seems that it is you who hasn't read TotJ, I asked you if you were familiar with the Ulic vs. Exar duel and you said no.
Prove that he could seeing the fact he barely beat vodo and the fact we have not seen him trying to improve on his skills until AFTER DLOTS when he used the DBL.
Win in a fight? He could beat somebody who resisted a force sever by somebody FAR more powerful in that technique than nomi who easily pwned ulic with that technique
he could beat somebody who could choke 20 jedi's AS A SPIRIT, He could beat somebody that could use techniques to instantly kill his victims and he could beat somebody who can dissintigrate flesh and bone with his amulets.
Do you actually BOTHER to read even anything regarding exar kun? He choked them AS A SPIRIT, NOT when he was with Kyp.
If you could actually read, it wasn't wookiepedia alone, but quotes from revan and freedon nadd. Your a ****ing idiot.
nowhere in there does it say anything at all about Revan of Freedon Nadd. If they ever said that Exar > Ulic, a quote from them could give you the win here. But you can't yell at me for not reading something that you never said. 😆
Oh but the thing is it IS valid, seeing its backed up by several sources.
Originally posted by darthsith19Ill ask for the hundreth time, PROVE IT.
For about the hundreth time, Kun is superior to Ulic overall (as you agree with) but Ulic would win in a fight,
Originally posted by darthsith19No you havn't. You have not even listed a single feat of kun but rambling "He was injured so he means he is MORE POWERFUL THAN KUN!!!!!!"
and I have proved that Ulic would win in a fight,
Originally posted by darthsith19Ditto.
But please tell me that you at least understand what we are debating now. If you finally do that's one step I guess.
Originally posted by darthsith19Or the fact that he has not completely healed, again prove that his wound was fatal or a mortal wound, oh right you can't because you actually never prove shit when you ask for proof. Hell he still was able to fight, that means that his injuries were not severe which would effect his performance in a fight.
If Ulic was healed why did he still have bandages on? You seem, people usually put on bandages when they are wounded, not for fashion.
Originally posted by darthsith19Again asking me to prove something when you have yet to do so.
And the Vodo thing is all good but for it to be effective you'd have to prove that Kun got stronger after becoming a DLotS and not between the time of his first duel with Vodo and his duel with Ulic.
Are you stupid or are you just refusing to accept the fact that you are wrong? How about the fact that ragnos chose kun because he is stronger in the force than ulic? Oh and that duel was pure lightsaber duel, did we see either of them hurling force attacks at each other?
Or how about the fact that it is painfully obvious any retard can understand that for a sith, ESPECIALLY a DARK LORD OF THE SITH would grow stronger in the force because his potential is greater than ulic? And the fact that he has been researching force knowledge whereas ulic has not in the same league as kun?
Originally posted by darthsith19If your seriously injured, it would effect your ability to fight as well.
So you would have to be mortally wounded for it to effect your ability to fight?
Originally posted by darthsith19Because he was seriously injured? The fact that dooku struck him in certain key points of his body where it won't allow him to fight?
That's funny, Dooku didn't mortally wound Obi-Wan in AOTC, so why did Kenobi just lie on the floor?
Originally posted by darthsith19Yes, but again how severe was ulics injury? Because any idiot would know that if your ribs were really broken, you wouldn't even be able to twitch and turn let alone fight.
Did his injury effect his ability to fight?
Again prove to me that his ribs were very severe or just shut your gap.
Originally posted by darthsith19Oops it did. Opps you failed to prove that ulics ribs were completely broken along with the fact that you failed to prove his injuries were serious enough to hold me back.
Anakin wasn't mortally wounded in AOTC, either, yet when Yoda fought Dooku Anakin just lie there, opps, did his injury effect his ability to fight?
Originally posted by darthsith19Your trying to tell me that you CAN fight with broken ribs, which you have failed to prove as usual.
Are you trying to tell me that if I break your ribs you will be able to fight just as well as before?
Originally posted by darthsith19If you actually had any form of common sense you would stop asking stupid questions, Ill ask you again retard, then why was marka the dark lord of the sith? Is it because he is more powerful than the rest of the order? Or is it because your so damm stupid nobody even the mentally ill can take you seriously?
I asked where it stated that in the ancient times that the strongest sith rule over the others. Do you have an answer to that or not?
It doesn't need to be stated, you need common sense to understand the term dark lord of the sith .
Just that it doesn't need to be stated that a storm trooper can pwn c3po.
Originally posted by darthsith19Obviously they fought idiot, i responded like that because you never prove anything
This is your response to "Do you agree that Ulic and Kun fought?"
Originally posted by darthsith19The thing is i DO know about that fight, but again prove that his ribs were broken, hell with broken ribs, he wouldn't be able to even twitch and turn or even stand. If he used the force to aid him, i want you to prove it. Even darth sexy stated this, you disagreeing and refusing to accept the damm fact puts you on the same level with nebaris.
So you don't even know about that fight, if you don't I can post pics for you to see. I guess I just assumed that you'd have knowledge on their duel before you debated it.
Originally posted by darthsith19You have yet to answer anything moron, If ulic was more powerful in the force than kun as you implied, why didn't he use the force to kill him? This point is moot moron.
I keep asking you why, if Exar has stonger Force Powers than Ulic, he didn't kill him with the Force when they fought, and you've yet to answer this.
Oh right and your pathetic rebuttal will be "Becuz he was !njuR3d!!!" Right when getting physically injured does not affect your ability to control the force seeing vader with his arm dismembered could still use the force to kill a jedi.
Originally posted by darthsith19Because ulic's injury was not as severe as anakins and obi wans where those two were struck at points where it would immobalise their ability to fight? Again you have yet to prove ulics injuries were severe to limit his fighting ability.
You see, an injury usually effects someone's ability to fight, and there's no reason it wouldn't effect Ulic, too. Injuries effected Obi-Wan and Anakin, why wouldn't they effect Ulic?
Originally posted by darthsith19Because growing stronger in the force is different than growing better in swordplay? Are you too stupid to realise this?
Again prove that Exar couldn't have pwnd Vodo just that abdly at the time he fought Ulic
Did we see kun trying to improve on his ability with the lightsaber? No we did not.
Again please prove all your points before asking me to prove mine, i am sick and tired of you begging for proof like a begger begging for money when you have not proved anything in the past 2 years in this forum.
Originally posted by darthsith19Did i?
And it seems that it is you who hasn't read TotJ, I asked you if you were familiar with the Ulic vs. Exar duel and you said no.
Originally posted by darthsith19Wrong! He was improving on his ability with the force, not his lightsaber. Obviously if you want to improve your lightsaber abilities, you
We see him trying to improve his skills between his first duel with Vodo and his duel with Ulic, too, he goes to I think it was Freedon Nadd's tomb in search of power and gets his amulet and learns stuff from Nadd,
-have to activate it
-actually swing and practice it which the comic did not depict
-have targets
-you need to start proving things.
You made a claim, you have not backed it up. The burden of proof is on YOU.
Originally posted by darthsith19Of course it made him stronger, but did he use his lightsaber or amulets? Oh right being strong in the force does not necessarily mean your as good in the lightsaber.
he gains power from the Dark Side like when all those rocks land on him and he heals his body, stops himself from dying by using the dark side, and he fights massive beats and he fights Massassi. You can't tell me that none of those things made him stronger. Not without lying, anyways.
More stupidity from Dumbshit.
Originally posted by darthsith19Odan urr?
Who tried to disconnect Exar from the Force?
Originally posted by darthsith19Ok, but can you prove he can resist a force sever? Despite the fact that he has never once shown anything remarkable with the force? Yet your claiming he is more powerful than exar kun... Wow your stupidity is unbelievable. I bet those IQ tests state you have a NEGATIVE IQ.
And with Ulic he didn't even try to resist Nomi, he was on the ground crying over his brothers death and she just did it when his guard was down, so that doesn't mean anything.
Originally posted by darthsith19
That stuff's all good but if Exar ? Ulic with the Force then WHY DID HE NEVER USE THE FORCE AGAINST ULIC???
WHY DID HE NEVER USE THE FORCE AGAINST KUN???? If he actually was more powerful than kun as you claimed without anything to back you up.
Originally posted by darthsith19And my clarification was that he did it As a spirit. If you could read you would have seen that
1. I have NEVER read I, Jedi.
2. If you knew how to read, you'd have seen that I never said "Kun did that when he added his power to Kyp's" What I said was (pay close attention now) "Didn't he do that when his powers were added to Kyp's?" I was asking you for clarification, not flaming and arrogance.
Originally posted by darthsith19Did you even read this You will be one of the great ones, and there is another even greater than you Nadd to ulic? Or can you even read let alone comprehend basic texts?
And what was I supposed to read?
Originally posted by darthsith19
Hell even wookiepedia says your wrong Exar, [b]the more powerful of the two, was appointed the Dark Lord of the Sith, with Ulic as his apprentice, and both were anointed with unknown Sith symbols on their foreheads. With this resolution of the leadership dispute, the Great Sith War had brutally begun."[/B]
Originally posted by darthsith19Just see what you typed dumbass....
nowhere in there does it say anything at all about Revan of Freedon Nadd. If they ever said that Exar > Ulic, a quote from them could give you the win here. But you can't yell at me for not reading something that you never said. 😆
Oh and this was stated in path of destruction : The Sith must be ruled by a single leader, the very embodiment of the strength and power of the dark side. If the leader grows weak another must rise to seize the mantle.
Originally posted by darthsith19Like you could even do either
Then quote the sources, not wookieepedia.