Originally posted by Nod
You are probably one of the biggest fanboys I ever saw.Surfer doesn't fight like that normally, they had to stop him fighting properly for him to win. Then he also has to have help.
Maybe they were sapped equally, but there is a difference in how it was done.
Surfer had none of his normal powers. He also whipped on the Hulk and allies until Hulk used his allies properly. So either way that wasnt one on one. SUrfer then THANKS HIM and Hulk attacked.
Maybe he won, but not on hs own and thats not even close to what would have.
Only the stupidest retard who read comics for a week would think that.
Oh then theres you.
Honestly Hulk hater? No, your just a fanboy.
You didn't even read the story.
Hulk still had an obedience disk on, of course he would continue to attack.
Hulk won, end of story, and used his mind and brawn to do it. They were both weakened equally.
But weakened different.
Surfer lost his powers. Hulk were just weakened.
I read all of Planet Hulk. I just happen to be un-biased because I actually like Hulk but dislike Surfer.
So your saying Surfer losing his powers and Hulk just getting weakened is a fair win and shows what would happen in a real fight?
Originally posted by Nod
But weakened different.Surfer lost his powers. Hulk were just weakened.
I read all of Planet Hulk. I just happen to be un-biased because I actually like Hulk but dislike Surfer.
So your saying Surfer losing his powers and Hulk just getting weakened is a fair win and shows what would happen in a real fight?
I never said that's what would happen in a standard arena match.
They were both weakened equally. Surfer would take a vast majority against regular Hulk, there are few people that question that.
The reason I posted the scans was to show that Hulk physically was greater than Surfer was physically (in terms of strength and toughness). Surfer with his full range of powers would wipe out the Hulk as he always has in the past, unless it came down to a hand to hand fight, but Hulk does have the strength and brawn necessary to physically knock Surfer out, and that is canon. The only reason I posted the scans was in response to people saying that Surfer would simply solo team 1, which is completely unfounded based upon past showings of both characters from team 1.
Hulk has held his own against Thor in the past, they both have wins and losses against each other. WWH was regular Hulk but with exponentially increased strength, durability, and regeneration. So regular Hulk closely matching Thor hand to hammer is a good indication that regular Hulk was a close match to Thor. When you take what was previously a close match and amplify one opponent's strength an order of magnitude above what it was before, then the fight changes. Look at Thor vs. Kurse, after Kurse got amped up a mere 4 times. WWH was far more than 4x as strong as regular Hulk.
WWH one-shotted Ares and She-Hulk as an example of how much stronger his strength had gotten. So it's no stretch to say that WWH would pound classic Thor.
Sentry has matched heralds in the past also. Look at how Sentry punked Terrax. Granted Surfer is far above Terrax as well, but if you look at how their fights went, Sentry was clearly vastly more powerful than Terrax using only a small portion of his energies. So to say that Surfer soloes team 1 is straight up ludicrous. I have the entire Silver Surfer collection, and I know Surfer is incredibly powerful and has a vast array of abilities, but the statements made like saying Surfer would solo team 1 is ridiculous.
Originally posted by Nod
The difference is when Surfer has his power he amps. that is his thng. When Surfer doesn't amp I havent saw him be that impressive.SO WTF have you been talking about.
Oh and SUrfer wins 10/10 when he has the power.
he probably would have won in the fight if Hulk didn't have his team.
Hulk amping strength > Surfer amping strength. Surfer only wins via his versatility and speed. In a fist cuff, WWH would beat the crap outta Surfer with Surfer only amping strength and durability. That's on-panel and it's canon. Hulk and Surfer both weakened by the same amount, with Surfer only able to use amp his physical attributes < Hulk. Period.
You have already made up your mind though, so it's pointless replying to you any further at this point. When Surfer has his power, he wins 10/10, I agree with you on that, but it's not from brute force and brawn.
Originally posted by Nod
😂Its like talking to a child.
I am done till you change your nappies.
On-panel evidence > you. I have proven my side, you have yet to back up anything you say. WWH levels of power exceed any previous levels that Hulk was at. WWH matched Sentry hand to hand, and Sentry was able to crush Terrax's hand and snap his axe like an adult handling a child with a stick. Go ahead and keep talking trash though, it amuses me. 😂
The Surfer vs Hulk fight isn't really reflective of either Surfer's or Hulks abilities. and it did favour Hulk greatly in that it restricted Surfer from accessing his range and energy attacks, as well as him being depleted from the journey through the blackhole and - most importantly - being cut off from the Power Cosmic. the equivalent for Hulk would be to be unable to amp his strength, to be cut off from his extra-dimensional power source. this he patently wasn't, as he showed that he could just get madder/stronger.
Hulk too was depleted and more importantly, he lacked his normal insane durability - spears, fire etc all affected him - and seemed to also be weaker in his base levels for strength and regeneration/HF.
the interesting thing from Planet Hulk, as relates to Surfer, is that it showed Hulk - even whilst unprepared - to have a higher durability than Surfer. Surfer was KO'd by the journey through the Sakaar blackhole and left far weaker as a result. Hulk was weakened but still strong enough to pound the crap out of everybody on Sakaar and to basically hold the planet together with his bare hands.
in a straight up slugfest, the Hulk would always come out on top. though not without first suffering a hell of a beating on the way to overpowering Surfer. Surfer is capable of being fully extended (powerwise) whereas Hulk categorically is not. there is no limit there, neither in the amount of power he has access to nor the amount of power he can output at any time.
in this scenario, a bloodlusted and un-hindered Surfer would win against whatever Hulk, because he would always be able to work Hulk's energies against him, to siphon and dump the gamma into a pocket dimension, to take Hulk's dna and work that against him (to a degree - he clearly has the skills) and Surfer would initially be the stronger of the two making it easy to gain some distance by punching/bfring Hulk away.
anyway, Thor and Sentry are irrelevant here, it's Hulk vs Surfer, and since Surfer isn't handicapped he's free to dodge and parry, fire blasts, siphon energy, dump a blackhole on Hulk.
Sentry versus Terrax, a herald of Galactus just like Surfer:
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No bloody nose, no huge tornado of energy, not even one hundredth of the power Sentry used against WWH. I rest my case.
not denying Sentry punked Terrax, it was a great showing but Sentry is not in Hulk's league, Surfer is.
Sentry would die if WWH had wanted to kill him, remember Sentry was going all out and Hulk was just keeping up with him. Sentry did far less visible damage to Hulk than Zom/Strange too.
you saw how Surfer took on monsters like UniLord? imo Surfer is just written poorly so as to make a decent bit of tension/drama, usually.
we don't see Surfer really showboating or, for that matter, really determined to fight someone, he's more into the moralising and 'educating' than anything else.
Originally posted by Kutulu
Sentry versus Terrax, a herald of Galactus just like Surfer:
http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ts010150oe.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ts010169mw.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ts010170vk.jpgNo bloody nose, no huge tornado of energy, not even one hundredth of the power Sentry used against WWH. I rest my case.
Three pages?
Team two easily. 🙂
Originally posted by Kutulu
Hulk amping strength > Surfer amping strength. Surfer only wins via his versatility and speed. In a fist cuff, WWH would beat the crap outta Surfer with Surfer only amping strength and durability. That's on-panel and it's canon. Hulk and Surfer both weakened by the same amount, with Surfer only able to use amp his physical attributes < Hulk. Period.You have already made up your mind though, so it's pointless replying to you any further at this point. When Surfer has his power, he wins 10/10, I agree with you on that, but it's not from brute force and brawn.
Hulk amping his srength because even after an hour of amping he was stil incapable of eclisping the level of Thor. Considering it will take less than a minut or so to end this fight, Hulk's screwed.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/1-2.jpg
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Originally posted by Larceny
Hulk amping his srength because even after an hour of amping he was stil incapable of eclisping the level of Thor. Considering it will take less than a minut or so to end this fight, Hulk's screwed.http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/1-2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/2-2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/3-2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/4-2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/5-1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/6-1.jpg
WWH > Classic Hulk. Take the scan where they are close to matched, then amplify Hulk's strength times 100, and the results will be far different.
Originally posted by Kutulu
WWH > Classic Hulk. Take the scan where they are close to matched, then amplify Hulk's strength times 100, and the results will be far different.
Fortunately for my case your incapable of proving Hulk's strength was amplified times 100. In fact, other than chit chat, I doubt you can prove WWH was any stronger than Savage Hulk especially considering Savage Hulks feats completely dwarf WWH's feats.
Tea two wins easily. 🙂
Originally posted by Larceny
Fortunately for my case your incapable of proving Hulk's strength was amplified times 100. In fact, other than chit chat, I doubt you can prove WWH was any stronger than Savage Hulk especially considering Savage Hulks feats completely dwarf WWH's feats.Tea two wins easily. 🙂
You don't even accept on-panel evidence after it's been posted in verbatim for you to look at, what you say means little when you can't even accept what's written on the page. You lost all credibility.
