Originally posted by quanchi112
Supermans jobber aura doesnt affect Orion. I always thought that the whole jobber thing was just an excuse.
It's not a jobber aura. It's the superdur effect. It's infinitely harder to get a win against Supes than it is over almost any other top tier. Just by virtue of the S-shield.
And it does exist, his battle record is a testament to it. Captain America is the only character who's got anything like it.
This just proves you don't read DC. 😉
Originally posted by TricksterPriestI do read dc but there are other characters to my knowledge that Supes doesnt have a win over. I havent read all of dc hell no. But I think I have a clearer picture that you with regards to the goings on in this respective universe.
It's not a jobber aura. It's the superdur effect. It's infinitely harder to get a win against Supes than it is over almost any other top tier. Just by virtue of the S-shield.And it does exist, his battle record is a testament to it. Captain America is the only character who's got anything like it.
This just proves you don't read DC. 😉
Does Superman have a win over Orion,Black Adam,or Hal Jordan? I may be wrong but call me out if I am. These are all top tiers here. Why does the jobber aura work on Darkseid but not work against these characters, the reason is because you look for any old excuse to make yourself feel better. Darkseid doesnt match up well against Superman anymore and you must learn to deal with it.
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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlNah its just you spin things to give Darkseid a break. Supes wasnt alone against Imperiex either and had the help of practically the dc universe in combating this threat. In regards to the Mageddon thing he was controlled until Batman snapped him out of it. 🙂
Orion isn't a villian. Superman's jobber aura is great against Villians. Imperiex, Maggeddon, Dominus, can all attest to that.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I do read dc but there are other characters to my knowledge that Supes doesnt have a win over. I havent read all of dc hell no. But I think I have a clearer picture that you with regards to the goings on in this respective universe.Does Superman have a win over Orion,Black Adam,or Hal Jordan? I may be wrong but call me out if I am. These are all top tiers here. Why does the jobber aura work on Darkseid but not work against these characters, the reason is because you look for any old excuse to make yourself feel better. Darkseid doesnt match up well against Superman anymore and you must learn to deal with it.
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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlIt makes me think that Supes has enough experience against Darkseid but really hasnt fought the other characters as much. Orion is more of a warrior than Darkseid anyways. Darkseid can throw down as well but he doesnt relish in the fight like Orion does.
What you fail to realize if Superman doesn't have wins over Orion, BA, or hal jordan, but he does have ONE over DS. But DS has Several wins over superman, Infinity man, Some Gl's, and Orion, then ANY LOGICAL PERSON WITH HALF A BRAIN can see that Superman cannot beat DS without PIS. IT' should also be noted that grayven, gave kyle a hell of a fight. He's no DS. DS also shrugged of Black mary's best blast. And Black mary is superior to black adam. Whom superman doesn't have a clear win against.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It makes me think that Supes has enough experience against Darkseid but really hasnt fought the other characters as much. Orion is more of a warrior than Darkseid anyways. Darkseid can throw down as well but he doesnt relish in the fight like Orion does.
Quit with all the excuses. Pis is the weakest form of debate.
Black Mary got away from Darkseid even though he had all of Apokolips and Eclipso on his side.
No. YOur reasoning is weak. ORion is a warrior. And he hates DS. So only a fool would think that DS can easily own orion, but not superman. If superman cannot beat Orion, and orion cannot beat DS, the only logical conclusion is that Superman beating DS ONE TIME is PIS. PIS means ONe time. Black Mary getting away from DS means what? It means she ran becuz she knew DS was going to kick her ass. Now oyu quit with all the DS hating and illogical ways you try and put DS down.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlHe has stalemated him also. He has also made him flee in terror. He has beaten him with help as well and put him into the source wall. Darkseid also said his strength rivals Darkseid's.
No. YOur reasoning is weak. ORion is a warrior. And he hates DS. So only a fool would think that DS can easily own orion, but not superman. If superman cannot beat Orion, and orion cannot beat DS, the only logical conclusion is that Superman beating DS ONE TIME is PIS. PIS means ONe time. Black Mary getting away from DS means what? It means she ran becuz she knew DS was going to kick her ass. Now oyu quit with all the DS hating and illogical ways you try and put DS down.
He man the proof is in the pudding Orion fights his father like a putz while Supes has been known to shove him into the source wall. 🙂
Your reasoning is weak and mine is canon. Ds also had a whole planet and Eclipso to help him battle Mary. Like it was going to be a one on one fight. 😆