Originally posted by Soljer
Both of sound mind, Superman wins 7/10 due to being physically and offensively quite superior, even in the face of superior skill. Diana's skill can only level so much, and Superman has pretty much every other advantage over her in spades.Bloodlusted, however, Superman's odds go up to 9-10/10.
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Originally posted by Eel O'Brien
Out of curiosity, should WW be able to sneak up on Superman while he is using super-hearing?
No. Then again he's technically listening to an event that's happening only in his mind.
That and his reality was totally different at the time. He was seeing and fighting something different entirely.
Originally posted by AvlonSuperman was out to kill her and acted in a way he never would have allowed himself against WW. Id say he fought more vicious under the circumstance. He could still see her as Doomsday. He had known it was WW he never would have tried to kill her so ruthlessly.
LOL @ your scenario being one in which Superman wasn't even self aware of fighting the same fight.Supes ftw.
Wondy needed full battle gear just to barely even out to an Imperiex probe. Supes busted those with ease.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman was out to kill her and acted in a way he never would have allowed himself against WW. Id say he fought more vicious under the circumstance. He could still see her as Doomsday. He had known it was WW he never would have tried to kill her so ruthlessly.
He also fought "viciously" against Batman, who survived in another completely different scenario. It wasn't simply DD in WW's place, it was a different scenario altogether.
The point is still this. He wasn't himself. He didn't know what he was fighting, what he was hitting, how strong his hits were, etc.
Originally posted by AvlonOk,but you have to agree in his normal frame of mind that he never would have attacked her so brutally and so viciously if he had known it was her.
He also fought "viciously" against Batman, who survived in another completely different scenario. It wasn't simply DD in WW's place, it was a different scenario altogether.The point is still this. He wasn't himself. He didn't know what he was fighting, what he was hitting, how strong his hits were, etc.
I still think its obvious he wins a majority but superman fought brutally and Id say he was more formidable because of his tactic here than say if he were in the right frame of mind.
That superman wasnt messing around.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok,but you have to agree in his normal frame of mind that he never would have attacked her so brutally and so viciously if he had known it was her.I still think its obvious he wins a majority but superman fought brutally and Id say he was more formidable because of his tactic here than say if he were in the right frame of mind.
That superman wasnt messing around.
A trully brtual Supes would be one not inhibited by CIS...im thinking in the realm of exiles SS. This was a mindcontrolled Supes who was in his right mind...if anything he is less formidable here then he normally would be.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok,but you have to agree in his normal frame of mind that he never would have attacked her so brutally and so viciously if he had known it was her.I still think its obvious he wins a majority but superman fought brutally and Id say he was more formidable because of his tactic here than say if he were in the right frame of mind.
That superman wasnt messing around.
I'd be inclined to say that version of Superman may as have well been Bizarro. Far more powerful than WW, but out of his right mind it gave her the opportunity to strategize.
Even with that said, she still struggled and got KO'd when he couldn't even see her.
In his right frame of mind we both know Supes can be pretty damn cunning/crafty with his abilities, and with the power that he wields it's a deadly combo for WW.
Originally posted by Avlon
I'd be inclined to say that version of Superman may as have well been Bizarro. Far more powerful than WW, but out of his right mind it gave her the opportunity to strategize.Even with that said, she still struggled and got KO'd when he couldn't even see her.
In his right frame of mind we both know Supes can be pretty damn cunning/crafty with his abilities, and with the power that he wields it's a deadly combo for WW.
Originally posted by Avlon
He also fought "viciously" against Batman, who survived in another completely different scenario. It wasn't simply DD in WW's place, it was a different scenario altogether.The point is still this. He wasn't himself. He didn't know what he was fighting, what he was hitting, how strong his hits were, etc.
Originally posted by fangirl101
You mean she got Ko's while trying to use Knite to calm him down and
Knite is a calming substance now? Damn, let me start reading up on Superman again!
Originally posted by fangirl101
wasn't even trying to hurt him
And he was fighting a completely different battle in his mind. Duh.
Originally posted by fangirl101
and When he was getting a nice sun amp and knocked her to the earth faster than 80 times the speed of light where she woke up after an instant. Is that the KO you are trying to use? LMAO. 😆 😆 😆 😆
Find in the comic where it says he was amped. Damn, it's never written in there! Amazing! Duh to you.
Originally posted by fangirl101
She struggled to NOT hurt her friend.
She barely...remember this...BARELY held back...and was still KO'd by a guy who was the equivalent of bizarro. She was prepped on top of that (knite ring) and despite the fact he was completely oblivious to her still had to make Max let him go. KO'd and was scared shitless to be tossed in the sun.
Originally posted by fangirl101
She could have decapitated him at the very start of their fight if she wanted to.
He could choke her with her own lasso... 🙂
In his right mind, he stomps her.
Come back here when you have an actual debate.
Originally posted by The Great GalenSo,your comparing Superman now to Surfer from exiles. LOL. No,we saw a crazed Superman and he wasnt anywhere near as powerful as exiles Surfer. WW eventually evaded him long enough to save him. Surfer exiles was wrecking earth and the galaxy's best like they were jokes.
A trully brtual Supes would be one not inhibited by CIS...im thinking in the realm of exiles SS. This was a mindcontrolled Supes who was in his right mind...if anything he is less formidable here then he normally would be.
Originally posted by Avlon
Knite is a calming substance now? Damn, let me start reading up on Superman again!And he was fighting a completely different battle in his mind. Duh.
Find in the comic where it says he was amped. Damn, it's never written in there! Amazing! Duh to you.
She barely...remember this...BARELY held back...and was still KO'd by a guy who was the equivalent of bizarro. She was prepped on top of that (knite ring) and despite the fact he was completely oblivious to her still had to make Max let him go. KO'd and was scared shitless to be tossed in the sun.
He could choke her with her own lasso... 🙂
In his right mind, he stomps her.Come back here when you have an actual debate.
And you didn't answer the question. Cuz last I heard, being out of your right mind doesn't make you any less stronger. Most people actually hit harder when they are crazed. So just how effing hard do you have to hit someone to make them travel 80x the speed of light? Put up or shut up. Being crazy doesn't make his durability any less. And she hurt him. A few times in that fight. Holding back.
Let's see. You want us to believe that just becuz he wasn't fully aware of the situation, his durability went down and his punches were weak.
Damn, So he can control his aura and invuln like that now?
Again, How strong do you have to be and how hard do you have to be to punch someone 80x the speed of light?
Originally posted by AvlonHe was out for the kill. I do not think he has to strategize to beat WW anyways. he tried throwing her into the sun and hv'd her etc. right off the bat before she even knew what hit her.
I'd be inclined to say that version of Superman may as have well been Bizarro. Far more powerful than WW, but out of his right mind it gave her the opportunity to strategize.Even with that said, she still struggled and got KO'd when he couldn't even see her.
In his right frame of mind we both know Supes can be pretty damn cunning/crafty with his abilities, and with the power that he wields it's a deadly combo for WW.
It was obvious that she couldnt take his blows and needed to rely on her skills and evasion to later free him from this mind control.
