Originally posted by King Kandy
What did Jaspers do that put him above the IG?
So already,
we have the ridiculously powerful Matrix/Merlyn < Jaspers 238 > Jaspers 616.
That should be enough.
(Imo, matrix/Merlyn at the very least = the IG, based on feats though Merlyn >>> IG)
But we also have Cobweb,
who is psychically connected to her Past & Future selves,
Cobweb saw into a Future-self of hers,
where Jaspers was not stopped by the Fury (Jaspers' plot device to lose)
who witnessed Jaspers collapsing the entire Omniverse.
It was a reality that never came to pass,
but is there speculation whether or not Jaspers could or would do this?
Not at all,
because what Cobweb saw was through the eyes of a self of hers existing in this future,
that depended on Fury for it to come or not into fruition.
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Jaspers did much more but that's the big show as they say.
Originally posted by Galan007
I expect something about the Omniverse being brought up.
Originally posted by Mr Master
But one could argue MJJ was a "god" too withIN his warp.
MJJ had absolute control of all aspects of Reality withIN his warp, just like the IG.
He certainly was God within his warp just like Agamotto is a God within his pocket Dimension, but Agamotto is only the supreme ruler of the said dimension until a more powerful being is capable of wrestling the control over the said warp ore Pocket universe from the "supreme being".
And it is only within his reality that he has complete control over all aspects teleport him outside his warp should in theory be enough to lower his control over the other aspects.
Btw when have we seen that MJJ had all the powers of the IG? I'm no expert on the IG but it would make sense that there is a definitive difference between the Gems els they wouldn't be required would they...
But Imo, the IG would allow it's wielder to pull a Fury move on Jaspers,
and that's how the IG wins.
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I think there are more ways for the IG to win.
Originally posted by Utrigita
He certainly was God within his warp just like Agamotto is a God within his pocket Dimension, but Agamotto is only the supreme ruler of the said dimension until a more powerful being is capable of wrestling the control over the said warp ore Pocket universe from the "supreme being".
As for your analogy,
Matrix/Merlin (Omniversal power)
tried to "wrestle the control over said warp" (of 238 Jaspers no less)
guess what happened:
Originally posted by Mr MasterSo already,
we have the ridiculously powerful Matrix/Merlyn < Jaspers 238 > Jaspers 616.
Originally posted by Utrigita
And it is only within his reality that he has complete control over all aspects teleport him outside his warp should in theory be enough to lower his control over the other aspects.
"teleport him out of his warp" ... or ... "bfr to un-space"
(a walk in the park that Jaspers will simply allow right?) ❌
Fury was only able to do that cause Fury was basically immune to Jaspers' warp.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Btw when have we seen that MJJ had all the powers of the IG?
I'm no expert on the IG but it would make sense that there is a definitive difference between the Gems els they wouldn't be required would they...
Reality in it's basic form is Time/Space,
everything else is an extra component that completes a balanced universe
(like Chaos/Order(structure)Galactus/Inbetweener(balance)and Death/Oblivion(consonance)
All these conceptual ideas are part of Reality,
and everything existing withIN Time/Space is part of Reality.
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The only boost the Reality Gem would give Jaspers is the power to create from nothing.
Which means the cheesy "bfr" move is out of the question.
Originally posted by Utrigita
I think there are more ways for the IG to win.
Theoretically though, imo, IG should take the majority,
but Jaspers was also never defeated (other than Fury) and proved himself as an uber "god"
just like the IG makes one unquestionably.
It's really a tuff call to be honest.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Well how about Jasper's having low showings in die by the sword?
Even that Jaspers was never defeated by any other than the so-called Fury-Prime.
If you're talking about Jaspers allowing himself to get pummelled,
you should know he likes doing that, the cat is insane,
(even in the classic Jaspers saga, Brian went through the same thing more or less)
but we have to notice how he immediately strikes back,
and owns all,
as if the "pummelling" never took place to begin with.
Also, as we know, Jaspers had a ridiculous feat in that arc,
he wiped out a near-infinite amount of Captain Britain alternates.
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Most of those Heroes that survived, shouldn't have ever lived,
but they're "Heroes" and they gotta continue,
but each of those Alternate CB, had a greater durability than nearly all others there,
and Jaspers killed nearly all of them (every CB in the Omniverse) with a wave of his hand.
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Bah, I rather stick to classic JJ though,
because I'm still not absolutely sure what is going on with the result of that arc.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Ut. never again compare Aggy to Jaspers. 🙂
Aggy is a fart in the wind in Jaspers' air.
I know but the analogy can still be used. It is still about wrestling control from the main ruler of the said dimension and Agamotto just sprang to mind.
As for your analogy,
Matrix/Merlin (Omniversal power)
tried to "wrestle the control over said warp" (of 238 Jaspers no less)guess what happened:[/B]
Yes he got beaten (strange seeing how a omniversal power isn't capable of simply erasing a universe but have to resort to a machinary and a crystal in order to preform the nullification on a universe.)
Based on feats ... Matrix/Merlin >>>> IG
heck, I remember Merlin allowing team Excalibur to harness a portion of the Matrix,
Brian was able to literally rebuild the Mutliverse in its entirety.[/B]
But I would put the IG above Merlin simply by the fact that the IG makes one God beneath LT according to you own words. Hence above Merlin and Jaspers.
and the IG could be used to conquer two multiverses and the Reality Gem and the power gem? I think ore was it the four other gems that created universes and stacked them on top of each other with ease.
Everyone always makes that sound so easy ..."teleport him out of his warp" ... or ... "bfr to un-space"
(a walk in the park that Jaspers will simply allow right?) ❌Fury was only able to do that cause Fury was basically immune to Jaspers' warp.[/B]
I would say it is pretty safe to assume that the IG is immune too, and you know fully well that if the Fury had known right from the start what Jaspers weakness was MJJ would have been teleported there by fury in a instant, the wielder of the IG knows this, and even there even though he have the Reality Gem at his disposisal, it still wouldn't be enough to defeat the Reality Gem on the IG with full capacity from the power gem.
Jaspers controls Reality absolutely ... the IG gives one control over Reality completely.[/B]
The IG makes one master above Time, Space, Soul, Power, reality and Mind. I would say that the wielder of the IG gaines as much control over reality as Jaspers does.
Reality in it's basic form is Time/Space,
everything else is an extra component that completes a balanced universe
(like Chaos/Order(structure)Galactus/Inbetweener(balance)and Death/Oblivion(consonance)All these conceptual ideas are part of Reality,
and everything existing withIN Time/Space is part of Reality.
...........................................................................................The only boost the Reality Gem would give Jaspers is the power to create from nothing.
Which means the cheesy "bfr" move is out of the question.[/B]
Not if the IG wielder can overrule it... He will most likely be capable of erasing the reality just as fast as Jaspers can remake it with the reality gem ore simply remove reality with the use of the space gem.
Not imo,
I'd say stalemate just cause I respect the IG so much.Theoretically though, imo, IG should take the majority,
but Jaspers was also never defeated (other than Fury) and proved himself as an uber "god"
just like the IG makes one unquestionably.It's really a tuff call to be honest. [/B]
Of cause it is all theory on what would happen if they meet judging from what they have shown and what references have been given to them etc.
