Silver Surfer's Blast vs Superman's punch

Originally posted by abhilegend
The Supermen warped reality by their fight, hence breaking of space and time barriers.

Would you be specific to show where the multiverse was stated to be unstable at the time Supermen fought?

"I can feel phantom beings pulled from the fabrics of the multiverse, Recreated and destroyed, For some reason earth-two remains vacant,why when billions of other beings appear across the multiverse like ghosts, Reborn....then destroyed"
https://i.imgur.com/VrywF9X.png

And they fight was been stated multiple times is breaking time-space/ Warping reality itself
"this man of steel must break his bonds and bend reality to what he thinks is right.his only opposition is our superman"
https://i.imgur.com/oViJlWy.jpg

Superboy Prime messing with reality could easily be argued as to having had an effect that made reality more malleable. Not to mention the absolute mess the fight between the two Supermen is.

It's still an impressive feat for them both, but imo it has no place in a thread like this when you're trying to put like against like.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superboy Prime messing with reality could easily be argued as to having had an effect that made reality more malleable. Not to mention the absolute mess the fight between the two Supermen is.

It's still an impressive feat for them both, but imo it has no place in a thread like this when you're trying to put like against like.

"The universe once divided into many parts.....each one different, independent, yet somehow weaker than the whole"

https://i.imgur.com/aaTtMta.jpg

Besides, They fighting take place in earth-2.

From my opinion, Throughout the entire storyline never indicate them breaking time-space was due to the universe unstable, Then we shouldn't unauthentic using our imagination to lowballing this feat

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superboy Prime messing with reality could easily be argued as to having had an effect that made reality more malleable. Not to mention the absolute mess the fight between the two Supermen is.

It's still an impressive feat for them both, but imo it has no place in a thread like this when you're trying to put like against like.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
But if following this logic, Then Pre-Infinite Crisis reality/universe was far more firmly than later Multiverse

"The universe once divided into many parts.....each one different, independent, yet somehow weaker than the whole"

https://i.imgur.com/aaTtMta.jpg

Besides, They fighting take place in earth-2.

From my opinion, Throughout the entire storyline never indicate them breaking time-space was due to the universe unstable, Then we shouldn't unauthentic using our imagination to lowballing this feat

I'm not sure I'm understanding your whole point, but I honestly don't think you can lowball something that vaguely defined in the first place.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Prime was imprisoned in speed force at that time.

Unless there's a retcon I missed, I don't think we're talking about the same thing. I'm talking about Prime punching his way out of the prison before IC in a way that altered reality.

Or was that changed to be the speed force and I missed it? Or are we talking about different things? If so, what did you think I was talking about?

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As far as the thread goes, my vote actually goes for Superman. Surfer's best attacks are always (imo) going to involve things like matter manipulation rather than full-on energy blasts.

How dare you disagree with QWERTY Superman

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm not sure I'm understanding your whole point, but I honestly don't think you can lowball something that vaguely defined in the first place.

Unless there's a retcon I missed, I don't think we're talking about the same thing. I'm talking about Prime punching his way out of the prison before IC in a way that altered reality.

Or was that changed to be the speed force and I missed it? Or are we talking about different things? If so, what did you think I was talking about?

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As far as the thread goes, my vote actually goes for Superman. Surfer's best attacks are always (imo) going to involve things like matter manipulation rather than full-on energy blasts.

You'd have to call whole of post Crisis reality malleable then.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm not sure I'm understanding your whole point, but I honestly don't think you can lowball something that vaguely defined in the first place.

From my opinion, Throughout the entire storyline never indicate them breaking time-space was due to the universe unstable, Then we shouldn't unauthentic using our imagination to lowballing this feat

And I mean if we considering Superboy prime altering reality, Then why should not considering this universe was far stronger than normal universe? If we considering that then the universe is malleable actually is a moot

Maybe this should be ss’s best blast vs superman ‘s best jump. 👆

😂

Originally posted by leonidas
Maybe this should be ss’s best blast vs superman ‘s best jump. 👆

👆

You have to make it fair one way or another.

Supermans punches are well above the scope of Surfer's energy projection or raw power in general, , and its fanboy bias to claim otherwise at this point.

Originally posted by Newjak
Now this isn't a direct fight where we see is which would beat the other directly.

This is an overall power gauge of the two.

Now we know Silver Surfer doesn't hit as hard as non-holding back Superman. (Yes even an amped Silver Surfer would still be weaker than Superman)

We also know that Superman can not create a blast as strong as non-holding back Silver Surfer. (Yes HV isn't as good as the Power Cosmic)

So the question becomes which one possess the most damage output.

Parameters
A) They are bloodlusted

B) They are putting everything they have into this particular attack.

C) And for circumstances sake we will ignore things like energy vs blunt resistance. These attacks will be considered the same attack for this scenario.

So in this which one possess the most damage output.

In terms of how well each do against their peers or higher then Superman's punch is more powerful.

I've seen many times where Surfer's blasts did almost nothing to his peers (other heralds of Galactus and Thor). I've never seen Superman's punch not significantly affect a peer.

Also, I would argue that Superman's HV is more powerful than Surfer's blasts when it comes to attacking peers and greater. Superman's HV (at best) has been proven to be thousands of times hotter than the Sun.

Surfer holds back more than Superman. When his power is unleashed without morals, you get this:

https://photobucket.com/gallery/user/OneDumbG0/media/bWVkaWFJZDoyMjI2MjQ1NQ==/?ref=

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Surfer holds back more than Superman. When his power is unleashed without morals, you get this:

https://photobucket.com/gallery/user/OneDumbG0/media/bWVkaWFJZDoyMjI2MjQ1NQ==/?ref=

So?

Originally posted by abhilegend
It destroyed a planet? Well, Superman can do that while being near death.

So?

Yet at above 100% according to your comrade and with a combination of a punch followed by a leg press.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Yet at above 100% according to your comrade and with a combination of a punch followed by a leg press.

There was no punch, Superman was conserving energy to jump off the planet. Why would he punch the planet?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Which comrade? Are you arguing that Superman wasn't weakened?

There was no punch, Superman was conserving energy to jump off the planet. Why would he punch the planet?

A nice fella who goes by DarkSaint85.

Are you arguing that the strength of a weakened human can destroy DC planet's?

And a punch is shown.