Id v.s. AC Sephiroth

^ That was Sephiroth before he had gained more power, and before he had control over the negative lifestream, with the NL he is capable of transforming the entire planet into his personal vessel.

no it isn't
it never came close to blowing up a mountain let alone a planet
and nothing says it could

Meteor can't destroy anything
it damages the Planet

Originally posted by 123KID
no it isn't
it never came close to blowing up a mountain let alone a planet
and nothing says it could

Nothing says it could? Poor Bugenhagen. He is considered "nothing" now. 🙁

oh ?
i'd like to see the quote from him saying Holy could destroy the Planet

Although i couldn't find the direct quote from ingame that stated about the black materia here are some from sites with information on the balck materia

"Black Materia is the materia Sephiroth seeks and eventually obtains in order to call the most destructive magic spell, Meteor, a spell capable of causing destruction to an entire planet"

"The Black Materia is utilized to cast the spell Meteor, the Destructive Magic in Final Fantasy VII, capable of destroying an entire planet"

"The temple was a cetra relic and Aeris(th) the key to unlocking the secrets within it. It was here that we learned of a forbidden magic called Meteor it was capable of destroying the entire planet. "

The white materia is the antithesis and stated to be even more powerful, capable of wiping out anything it judges evil.

Let's see Sephiroth didn't want to the destroy the planet; in fact he wanted just to wound the planet. In fact it is said ingame:

Sephiroth: It's simple. Once the Planet is hurt, it gathers Spirit Energy to
heal the injury. The amount of energy gathered depends on the size of the
injury. ...What would happen if there was an injury that threatened the very
life of the Planet? Think how much energy would be gathered! Ha ha ha. And at
the center of that injury, will be me. All that boundless energy will be mine.
By merging with all the energy of the Planet, I will become a new life form, a
new existence. Melding with the Planet... I will cease to exist as I am now...
Only to be reborn as a 'God' to rule over every soul.

if you read carefully, it says the word "capable" in each of the quotes

I can't, for the life of me, have any idea what this has to do with Sephiroth VS. Id

It isn't the black materia/holy vs. Id

Hell, it isn't the black materia/holy discussion thread. It's "Id v.s Sephiroth"

Originally posted by 123KID
oh ?
i'd like to see the quote from him saying Holy could destroy the Planet

He never said that. What he said is that Holy could destroy everything on the planet that is harming it.

Here:

Bugenhagen
"The planet's in a crisis..."

(He shakes his head.)

Bugenhagen
"A crisis beyond human power or endless time."
"It says, when the time comes, we must search for 'Holy'."

Cloud
"Holy?"

Bugenhagen
"Holy... the ultimate White Magic. Magic that might stand against Meteor. Perhaps our last hope to save the planet from Meteor."
"If a soul seeking Holy reaches the planet, it will appear."

(He bounces happily)

Bugenhagen
"Ho Ho Hoooo."
"Meteor, Weapon, everything will disappear."

(He leans conspiratorially toward them.)

Bugenhagen
"Perhaps, even ourselves."

Cloud
"Even us!?"

Bugenhagen
"It is up to the planet to decide."

Bugenhagen
"What is best for the planet. What is bad for the planet."
"All that is bad will disappear. That is all."

(He bounces)

Bugenhagen
"Ho Ho Hooo."
"I wonder which we humans are?"

As stated above, it could destroy the Weapons, Meteor, and all the human race.
It could destroy even more than that, if it's judged necessary("All that is bad will disappear. That is all." ).

Something important to note, is that Holy could have done all that very quickly. It was traveling across continents in seconds during the end of FFVII, after all.

A guy in another forum compared Holy with the hand of God. It decides what is good and bad, wiping out everything bad.
Sephiroth was holding this force, with only his willpower/mental strength/telekinesis, while doing many other things(controling the clones, etc). And that's ****ing impressive, IMO!

Keollyn:

Read everything above. Now, can you imagine all the mental power he was using to restrain something of THAT magnitude?! And that wasn't even his limit, because he was still controling the clones, Jenova's body, etc.
Imagine if he used ALL his mental power against a single person.

When I talk about Holy's power, I want to show how mentaly powerful Sephiroth really is.

A guy in another forum compared Holy with the hand of God. It decides what is good and bad, wiping out everything bad.
Sephiroth was holding this force, with only his willpower/mental strength/telekinesis, while doing many other things(controling the clones, etc). And that's ****ing impressive!

this is what we call "wanking propaganda"
by associating Holy with the hand of an omnipotent being and then stating Sephiroth can hold it back with his willpower you combine the two statements to make Seph's feat more impressive

Originally posted by 123KID
this is what we call "wanking propaganda"
by associating Holy with the hand of an omnipotent being and then stating Sephiroth can hold it back with his willpower you combine the two statements to make Seph's feat more impressive

It can be a bad comparison, but it doesn't negate Holy's power(and Sephiroth's mental power by consequence). Everything I posted is true and valid. What Sephiroth did was still impressive, with that comparison or not.

The big question is: Can Id resist the full power of Sephiroth's mind? Holy couldn't, and I think he can't either.

Yay! Game quotes are taken at face value!

WISEMAN
"Zohar is Deus' core.
The slave generators and Ether... it's the source of all their energy.
After attaining its power, the freshly awakened Id intends to annihilate this world!
The contact with Zohar was meant to have been done after unifying Fei's true personality"

Yep, someone said that Id was going to destroy the world. And no, that's not "planet" world, that's "universe" world. Want proof?

HAR
Long ago, a 'modifier', or a pseudo-perpetual, infinite-energy engine was created. That engine was named 'Zohar'.
That reactor was created by an ancient people from another planet to attain what is considered to be the ultimate energy possible within this four-dimensional universe.
Eventually, those people used that same engine to create the ultimate inter-planetary invasion weapon, 'Deus'... Zohar was used as its primary source of power.
But the unexpected happened... During the connection tests of Zohar with the newly completed Deus, the engine started to examine infinite potential phenomena...
Requiring energy, the engine connected this dimension to the higher dimensional space. As a result, that reactor 'merged' or 'synchronized' with the wave existence in that higher dimension... ME.
I 'descended' from the point of contact created by the machine through the 'Path of Sephirot', or the domain you are in right now, and incarnated in the four-dimensional world.
After I 'advented' to the four-dimensional world, in order to stabilize myself here, I had to exchange, or materialize, my form and enter into the 'modifier' engine...

So that's someone, like Bugenhagen, making statements from observations. And here, Wiseman said that Id will annihilate this world. And just so no fool think world means planet (that's still far more than what Holy would have done), I got the conversion god (Har) had with Fei, and he goes from referring to the fourth dimension with the word universe, to saying world

And it is interesting to note that world actually means universe
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US😮fficial&hs=d7i&defl=en&q=define:world&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title

So Id was going to do FARRRRRR more than Holy, which Sephiroth "did something with", making Sephiroth's "impressive" not so impressive comparably.

So you see, I can make quotes from game work in my favor too.

Holy was just something Sephiroth held/contained with his mind, Sephiroth has the NL which is the power of the planet, capable of destroying the planet, or transforming it into whatever he desires

Universe > planet.

This has been taught to us at school.

And where is it stated Id is capable of destroying a universe? Also, you dont need to give me an asshat reply like "This has been taught in school" bs, are you mad or something?

Yes, I'm furious. I'm exacting my plan to kill all human life because I don't like your text.

Wherever did you get idea is beyond me.

And where it said Id was going to destroy the universe is directly above us in that long post of mine. Try and find it (reading is also something we learned at school... some before it too)

"That engine was named 'Zohar'.
That reactor was created by an ancient people from another planet to attain what is considered to be the ultimate energy possible within this four-dimensional universe. "

So thats the only actual ingame context with the word "universe" in it, i don't see how that means id is capable of destroying a universe, please explain mr. ultimate genious

Usually when people start saying unneeded things during a debate, means they're getting offended or mad 😬

Originally posted by Keollyn
Yay! Game quotes are taken at face value!

And why they wouldn't be? If they come from a releable source/character, and aren't contradicted by anything in the story, then they are true.

WISEMAN
"After attaining its power, the freshly awakened Id intends to annihilate this world!"

And after Meteor hit the planet, Sephiroth intended to attain the power of the Lifestream and become a god. So, what?

So you see, I can make quotes from game work in my favor too.

If the quotes come from a releable source/character and aren't contradicted by anything in the story, anyone can use them to help their own argument.

Sephiroth just looks at Id and instantly crush his body before Id have the chance of attacking him.

Originally posted by Terryc250
"That engine was named 'Zohar'.
That reactor was created by an ancient people from another planet to attain what is considered to be the ultimate energy possible within this four-dimensional universe. "

So thats the only actual ingame context with the word "universe" in it, i don't see how that means id is capable of destroying a universe, please explain mr. ultimate genious

Usually when people start saying unneeded things during a debate, means they're getting offended or mad 😬

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US😮fficial&hs=d7i&defl=en&q=define:world&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title

Lol @ your education

Originally posted by SHM
And why they wouldn't be? If they come from a releable source/character, and aren't contradicted by anything in the story, then they are true.

And so far Id's universe destroying capabilities > Sephiroth's holding planet back holy... only a planetary threat

And after Meteor hit the planet, Sephiroth intended to attain the power of the Lifestream and become a god. So, what?

So that makes him less than Id. Becomong a god doesn't mean shit. Id's been a god since the beginning of the game.

Sephiroth just looks at Id and instantly crush his body before Id have the chance of attacking him.

If he even fast enough. Wasn't his best speed feat "nothing"