Superman Strength Contest

Originally posted by nimbus006
You're saying when Superman flies he uses TK rather physical strength to lift objects?

Do you have proof of this being stated on panel?

It goes back to John Byrne's very first issue of Superman, back in 1986. When he lifts a secret labratory in a house into orbit - he notes how he no longer feels the weight of the property he's carrying, and reasons he flies other objects as he flies himself; strength of will.

It would also explain how one could lift up giant objects like a supertanker, without it collapsing around you. I'd be like picking up a medicine ball using the head of a pin.

Originally posted by nimbus006
Heres the thing characters such as Hulk, Superman, and to a certain extent Black Adam, Captain Marvel, and Thor can grow exponentially stronger whether it be through sheer will, rage or via Sundip/enegy absorbtion. Because of this, they can reach strength levels over 1,000 x stronger than rest of these guys. So, the scale that i am giving is going to be relative to everyone's average showings (not pulling/holding tectonic plates together, or moving a planet), with Superman being 100.

If Superman is 100 then these guys should be around:

Colossus- 40

Ben Grimm- 38

Black Adam- 97

Wonder Woman- 90

World War Hulk- 98

Classic Green Hulk at normal/ calm) strength- 45

She-Hulk- 35

Captain Marvel- 97

Mary Marvel- IDK

Power Girl- 70

Supergirl- 70

Martian Manhunter- 85

Hercules- 50

Namor- 40

Thor- 93

Originally posted by nimbus006
Heres the thing characters such as Hulk, Superman, and to a certain extent Black Adam, Captain Marvel, and Thor can grow exponentially stronger whether it be through sheer will, rage or via Sundip/enegy absorbtion. Because of this, they can reach strength levels over 1,000 x stronger than rest of these guys. So, the scale that i am giving is going to be relative to everyone's average showings (not pulling/holding tectonic plates together, or moving a planet), with Superman being 100.

If Superman is 100 then these guys should be around:

Colossus- 40

Ben Grimm- 38

Black Adam- 97

Wonder Woman- 90

World War Hulk- 98

Classic Green Hulk at normal/ calm) strength- 45

She-Hulk- 35

Captain Marvel- 97

Mary Marvel- IDK

Power Girl- 70

Supergirl- 70

Martian Manhunter- 85

Hercules- 50

Namor- 40

Thor- 93

jl unlimited = marvel quality

Originally posted by horrorwolf
some of these estimations in here are pretty funny.

lol Like RR said, a strokefest.

Could be or could be a way of implying how ridiculously overpowered DC is.

Using Superman as the standard just seems appropriate as, outside of cosmic beings, he pretty much is the standard for strength except for maybe the Hulk and with the Hulk, it only works as his strength starts increasing.

One problem is that Marvel is willing to officially quantify their characters, something DC has never been willing to do. But then Marvel tends to ignore the stated limits of the characters at times.

Originally posted by nimbus006
Heres the thing characters such as Hulk, Superman, and to a certain extent Black Adam, Captain Marvel, and Thor can grow exponentially stronger whether it be through sheer will, rage or via Sundip/enegy absorbtion. Because of this, they can reach strength levels over 1,000 x stronger than rest of these guys. So, the scale that i am giving is going to be relative to everyone's average showings (not pulling/holding tectonic plates together, or moving a planet), with Superman being 100.

If Superman is 100 then these guys should be around:

Colossus- 40

Ben Grimm- 38

Black Adam- 97

Wonder Woman- 90

World War Hulk- 98

Classic Green Hulk at normal/ calm) strength- 45

She-Hulk- 35

Captain Marvel- 97

Mary Marvel- IDK

Power Girl- 70

Supergirl- 70

Martian Manhunter- 85

Hercules- 50

Namor- 40

Thor- 93

I'd say that, for all practical purposes, this is probably the most realistic one in terms of the strength levels they seem to have when they cross over with each other, including DC/ Marvel crossovers. Not neccesarily official strength levels but what they seem to be in stories.

Originally posted by roughrider
Yet characters like Mongul or Solomon Grundy have (at times) been described by DC writers & editors as being stronger than Superman, and when have they picked up anything bigger than a large boulder?
Strength feats are obviously subjective between characters.

Its my opinion that when characters fight each other, their power levels tend to be bent towards the middle by writers in order to make the fight more exciting.

For example, when they were preparing to do the Ultimates, they wanted to be as realistic as possible but one thing the writers admitted they fudged on was the fight scenes. Realistically, you've got a guy that can lift a hundred tons fighting a guy that can lift ten and the guy who is ten times stronger punches the other guy. There's a VERY good chance the guy will be dead right there. Or you've got the Hulk punching Captain America and the shield absorbds 99% of the impact. The remaining 1% would probably still kill him so they fudge to make it a good fight AND to keep characters alive.

That's one reason that its better to go by feats of strength than by fights when evaluating strength or power level. Characters get into fights and seem reasonably close in strength and toughness that, according to feats in their own comics, are at vastly different levels of strength and toughness.

Originally posted by scuzz
this thread is a f**king joke, you honestly think wwh has only point five percent of supermans streanght! the strongest version of the hulk and you seriously think superman is 200 times stronger than him???
class 100 means the same in both companies! can lift up to 100 tonns or at least 100 tonns! class 100 in dc does not mean at least 100 million tonns! plenty charactars can lift that (from both sides) but it still starts at 100 tonns

Based on everything I've ever heard, the term means no such thing with DC and isn't even particularly used by DC.

By the way, what are some of World War Hulk's strength feats? I didn't list a percentage for him as he's the one character in this I'm not familiar with.

Originally posted by llagrok
Uhm....has Superman gotten tactile TK now?

That was from the early Byrne era. As far as I know, it hasn't been invoked or even mentioned in a long time.

Originally posted by roughrider
It goes back to John Byrne's very first issue of Superman, back in 1986. When he lifts a secret labratory in a house into orbit - he notes how he no longer feels the weight of the property he's carrying, and reasons he flies other objects as he flies himself; strength of will.

It would also explain how one could lift up giant objects like a supertanker, without it collapsing around you. I'd be like picking up a medicine ball using the head of a pin.

The thing is he had to be able to lift the object first, then it became lighter once he had it in the air. But the thing about not breaking the object should apply to all super strength feats for all characters. TK isn't neccesary to explain his strength any more or less than all super strength characters.

Originally posted by SupremeMan
The thing is he had to be able to lift the object first, then it became lighter once he had it in the air. But the thing about not breaking the object should apply to all super strength feats for all characters. TK isn't neccesary to explain his strength any more or less than all super strength characters.

Is he lifting it, or is he just invoking his TK field to start his body going upwards, and whatever he's holding onto is going with him?

This wouldn't mean he can lift anything. Like the GLs using their rings, it's concentrated willpower. The bigger the task at hand, the more stressful it becomes for the mind, and he couldn't some things for very long.

Originally posted by SupremeMan
But the thing about not breaking the object should apply to all super strength feats for all characters. TK isn't neccesary to explain his strength any more or less than all super strength characters.

The thing is, he's flying upwards with it. Hypothetically, one part of a large object has his hands underneath it; every other part of it is being dragged down by gravity. It would escalate until he escaped gravity. It's somewhat different for a grounded powerhouse, who would only lift something as high as their head.

The Hulk is just as strong as Superman, and potentially stronger.

No more KMC, but DKC

Dc bias is strong! 😆 😱

Superman 100
World War Hulk ( handbook says 150 tons)
World Breaker unlimited

Originally posted by FearOfBlood
No more KMC, but DKC

Dc bias is strong! 😆 😱

Superman 100

Uhm, can you show me the scan where DC states that Superman has Class 100 Str?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Uhm, can you show me the scan where DC states that Superman has Class 100 Str?

Originally posted by Priest
The Hulk is just as strong as Superman, and potentially stronger.

I know,this is getting horrible.

I need to bring THE CREW in and roughhouse some hos.

Originally posted by strengthkills
Colossus-40

Ben Grimm-42

Black Adam-100

Wonder Woman-91

World War Hulk-130 normally

Classic Green Hulk at normal/ calm) strength-70

She-Hulk-65

Captain Marvel-100

Mary Marvel-90 never been as impressive as CM and BA but I know she has the power.

Power Girl-79

Supergirl-96

Martian Manhunter-98

Originally posted by FearOfBlood
No more KMC, but DKC

Dc bias is strong! 😆 😱

Superman 100
World War Hulk ( handbook says 150 tons)
World Breaker unlimited

Yeah I know. 150 tons versus, oh, quintillions of tons. Same strength. 😂

Originally posted by SupremeMan
Yeah I know. 150 tons versus, oh, quintillions of tons. Same strength. 😂

so yeah, quintillions is nice, but Hulk would beat that.

Originally posted by SupremeMan
Yeah I know. 150 tons versus, oh, quintillions of tons. Same strength. 😂

Hulk had feats pre-WWH that would put him in the quintillions of tons + strength range, for example holding together the tectonic plates of Sakaaar and stopping them from splitting.

He also has feats that are unquantifiable, but up there in terms of strength needed, such as breaking through TK fields strong enough to move planets, smashing a meteor twice the mass of Earth, breaking the Crimson bands of Cytorrak, etc..