Originally posted by willofthewisp
Not trying to bash anything since I'm very ignorant on this subject, but after reading the summary of this belief system, how is self-indulgence a value, and is there any limit to the amount a person indulges in him/herself? It just seems to me that one person's self-indulgence can at times impede someone else's.
In what way do you mean that?
Well, does it condone stealing from someone else? If I want something of yours, valuing self-indulgence would tell me to take it. But in that case, it stops your self-indulgence because you no longer have the object.
I understand all belief systems have their share of paradoxes, but I just want a firmer grasp on what this means.
Originally posted by willofthewisp
Well, does it condone stealing from someone else? If I want something of yours, valuing self-indulgence would tell me to take it. But in that case, it stops your self-indulgence because you no longer have the object.I understand all belief systems have their share of paradoxes, but I just want a firmer grasp on what this means.
Well, the 11 Rules address that specifically in rule 6:
1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
3. When in another’s lair, show them respect or else do not go there.
4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat them cruelly and without mercy.
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
6. Do not take that which does not belong to you, unless it is a burden to the other person and they cry out to be relieved.
7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
9. Do not harm little children.
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they do not stop, destroy them
On the whole, knowing that LaVey is a fan of Ayn Rand, I assume they basically subscribe to the non-aggression principle.
I always considered it closer to altrusitic selfishness, which would be consistent with much of Rand-ian thought. It's an inherently selfish system, since it sees no reason to be "moral" in a traditional sense, but oftentimes acting kind toward others is a "net profit" for the person in the form of some received benefit (friendship, money, accolades, etc.), so that it remains what is best for the individual, but often coincides with what is best for the group. And bad actions (stealing, killing, etc.) generally end negatively for the person.
Seen this way, if you found a group of people living this way, they'd probably be able to live fairly harmoniously. Though the sense of genuine altruism would be stripped from it, which is why it doesn't appeal to most.
Originally posted by willofthewisp
Well, does it condone stealing from someone else? If I want something of yours, valuing self-indulgence would tell me to take it. But in that case, it stops your self-indulgence because you no longer have the object.I understand all belief systems have their share of paradoxes, but I just want a firmer grasp on what this means.
Yes, the only belief system that unifies them all and is free of paradoxes is my own, an evolved form of christianity that is based or has its foundation on reason, logic, mathematics, and science... and thus will in the end be proven right as science, reason, logic, and mathematics grow in power so too does my belief system... it will slay all false gods except the one TRUE GOD|LAW|Evolution.
Originally posted by Bardock42😂
Well, the 11 Rules address that specifically in rule 6:1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
3. When in another’s lair, show them respect or else do not go there.
4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat them cruelly and without mercy.
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
6. Do not take that which does not belong to you, unless it is a burden to the other person and they cry out to be relieved.
7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
9. Do not harm little children.
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they do not stop, destroy themOn the whole, knowing that LaVey is a fan of Ayn Rand, I assume they basically subscribe to the non-aggression principle.
I read this quickly and at first I thought they were your rules...and I thought Huh?...hahahaha....What happened to Bardock....LOL