Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Apparently Anakin=Luke in potential.
Just because you type it out doesn't make it true. Prove up.
However Anakin was born of the force so I don't see how Luke could beat a full potential Anakin
Your reasoning makes no sense, Sexy. How would Anakin being "born of the force" have an effect on this duel, even operating under the false premise that "Anakin = Luke" in potential power? Doesn't it seem much more rational that: skill, experience, knowledge of the Force (both in techniques and understanding), &c. would matter the most? This isn't exactly a plot-driven duel. It's a hypothetical versus match.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
We have no idea if Anakin had indeed reached his full-potential or if he hadn't what it would have been or how powerful he would have become.
As pointed out by Elite Hunter, we do know that he hadn't completely achieved his full potential. We also know that he would've been 200% of DE Sidious (this is of course assuming that the Emperor even reached his limit in Force strength by DE).
Originally posted by Elite Hunter
It seems that he and luke have the same potential
Just because you type it out doesn't make it true. Prove up.
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
They have equal potential.
Hm, you don't need to prove up since you clearly don't believe in this bullshit either.
Originally posted by Sylar
I think they got confused when lucas said luke represented what anakin was suppose to become, and they took that as luke = anakin.
Oh, I already knew that's what Sexy was referring to as I've had a debate about that before with both Lightsnake and him. I'm more or less just wondering why he's still bringing it up when I made it clear that the quote from George Lucas is meaningless to a debate, as it makes no absolute indication of Luke rivaling Anakin's potential. Then, of course, wondering why people (Elite Hunter) are buying into the ridiculous notion that its true.
But was it stated anywhere anakin at peak > luke? I can't seem to remember....
Anakin has the highest known potential of all characters in the Star Wars mythos, which was explained by George Lucas and is adhered to in canon. Luke exists in the Star Wars mythos. Ergo, if Anakin had reached his potential, he would've been more powerful than Luke.
Since there's no evidence that supports the theory that Luke's potential is equivalent to Anakin's own (or greater than), it doesn't matter whether or not it was outright stated in those exact words. Logic dictates that its true as potential directly relates to power.
Originally posted by Advent
[B]Just because you type it out doesn't make it true. Prove up.
Your reasoning makes no sense, Sexy. How would Anakin being "born of the force" have an effect on this duel, even operating under the false premise that "Anakin = Luke" in potential power? Doesn't it seem much more rational that: skill, experience, knowledge of the Force (both in techniques and understanding), &c. would matter the most? This isn't exactly a plot-driven duel. It's a hypothetical versus match.
As pointed out by Elite Hunter, we do know that he hadn't completely achieved his full potential. We also know that he would've been 200% of DE Sidious (this is of course assuming that the Emperor even reached his limit in Force strength by DE).
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
If we go by the context of the Vanity Fair interview, either Luke=Anakin, or Luke>Palpatine.
What Vanity Fair interview are you talking about? Provide the quote, don't expect me to do your homework for you. And you essentially just nullified your own argument by stating 'either', because its apparently open to interpretation meaning that its inconclusive.
Yes, it is a hypothetical versus match. The twist is, however, Anakin reaching his full potential, so if I am allegedly operating under a false premise, then the thread is absolutely pointless, seeing as how Anakin is supposed to be the most powerful force user to ever live whenever the hell he reaches his potential.
How does this address the original point? It doesn't, its an irrelevant conclusion. The thread's validity and Anakin possessing the potential to become the most powerful has nothing to do with your implication that Anakin "being born of the Force" would actually have an effect on the duel.
THe question is, would he be 200% more powerful than which incarnation of Sidious? I don't recall the EU being involved in the canon source of Anakin being twice is powerful as the Emperor, but if it implies that he would be twice as powerful as the emperor at HIS peak, then yes, DE Emperor makes sense.
When actually reading the quote, it would seem more likely that he was referring to ROTJ Sidious, but I dunno'. I retract my statement then, since I cannot (or rather don't care enough to) support it.
Originally posted by Advent
[B]What Vanity Fair interview are you talking about? Provide the quote, don't expect me to do your homework for you. And you essentially just nullified your own argument by stating 'either', because its apparently open to interpretation meaning that its inconclusive.
How does this address the original point? It doesn't, its an irrelevant conclusion. The thread's validity and Anakin possessing the potential to become the most powerful has nothing to do with your implication that Anakin "being born of the Force" would actually have an effect on the duel.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Well I realized it could mean either/or.
In a nutshell: you have no viable evidence to support the theory that "Anakin = Luke" in potential power, is that right?
The thread stated had Anakin reached his potential Advent. Anakin at his peak, Anakin with limitless knowledge and power. Anakin being born in the force makes his potential power limitless so when he does reach his potential, he would be unstoppable. Now clearly Advent, he's not going to reach his potential and at the same time lack skill, knowledge, etc.. [/B]
Obviously you don't realize what you wrote:
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Apparently Anakin=Luke in potential. However Anakin was born of the force so I don't see how Luke could beat a full potential Anakin
The initial sentence implies that you think Luke and Anakin would be equal in a fight, since they have equal potential (as well as suggests that either Luke has reached his potential in NJO or you didn't read the thread title). Your latter sentence makes it seem that you're stating Anakin would win based on the fact he was "born of the Force" due to your use of "however". But it obviously wouldn't if they had equal potential (it would come down to the who has more knowledge, skill, &c.)
I suspect you made an error in your post. Either that, or your current post makes no sense in relation to your first.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Well no, I retract my initial statement because Vanity Fair interview could mean either of those things.
...Like I said, you have no viable evidence to support the claim. "Viable evidence" as in it must conclusively compliment your position. Since its open to interpretation, it doesn't conclusively compliment your position. 😛