Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosThey went to the Dutch first, but that wouldn't work. They were not hunted down, but out casted. So they moved to America where they started the Salem Witch trials to purify the new land.
The puritains were quite well off and left of their own volition not by sneaking onto ships (though there was certaily some prodding to leave both times). They wanted to reform the Church of England and when they discovered that they couldn't do that from within England they decided to create a perfect "city on a hill" that would prove how awesome Puritanism was.They weren't exactly hunted down, but the Church did try to supress active Puritan churches. I almost certain they weren't considered a cult.
Do Calvinists still exist?
Awesome man, awesome.
Originally posted by Deja~vu
They went to the Dutch first, but that wouldn't work. They were not hunted down, but out casted.
Hunted down was your words.
Originally posted by Deja~vu
So they moved to America where they started the Salem Witch trials to purify the new land.
Which were successful as there are now very few powerful witches in America.
Originally posted by Deja~vu
Awesome man, awesome.
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Originally posted by Zeal Ex NihiloROFL, the US was born when the colonies broke from England. Before then it was just a bunch of Brits and Frenchies and stuff talking about crap. None of that was the reason for the US, the reason for the US was economics, nothing more.
Basically, the Puritans wanted to purify the Anglican church from what they saw as unbiblical teachings and corruption (such as using a prayer book). The Pilgrims wanted to purify the Puritans from what they saw as unbiblical teachings and corruption. However, the Pilgrims were like, "Wtf, we can't fight the Church in England, so let's go found a new country." And thus America was born.
Originally posted by Regret
ROFL, the US was born when the colonies broke from England. Before then it was just a bunch of Brits and Frenchies and stuff talking about crap. None of that was the reason for the US, the reason for the US was economics, nothing more.
Originally posted by Zeal Ex NihiloFor some of them, yes probably, for most of them? I'm not so certain it wasn't the economic benefits of leaving their home countries for the possibility of great land possession and economic value such land would offer. The "American Dream" grew from the Pilgrims into what it is today, people don't often come here for religious freedom, they come here because even the poverty stricken have an opportunity to try for more. People left England for the economic power and distance from the governing power of Europe, religion was a pretext that allowed political correctness for those that needed it.
Erm...what I said was true. What you said was also true. However, the Pilgrims were the birth of the United States when it was still a British colony.
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Erm...what I said was true. What you said was also true. However, the Pilgrims were the birth of the United States when it was still a British colony.
How many times does the Compact mention an independant nation? How many times does it cite James as King? How many times does it mention Virginia, as if that was the name of the colony before the Compact was written? How many times does it mention "We the People of the United States"?
The Mayflower compact is the governing document of those people who subscribed to it, not the unified position of all 13 colonies.
It is far too often cited as the basis for a chiristian nation, which is simply not the case.
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Erm...what I said was true. What you said was also true. However, the Pilgrims were the birth of the United States when it was still a British colony.
So, the birth of America was because of BEER!