For a second, I forgot that monkeys aren't really people.

Originally posted by Robtard
Animals do have rights. If I were to curbstomp my dog, it would be illegal and I could serve time in jail.

True true. But as we've extrapolated on, the line between human and ape is blurred much more so than with dogs. I see no problem with giving them human-like rights, and even calling it that. But I'd of course stop short of ALL rights that the article mentioned, as I've hopefully made clear.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
True true. But as we've extrapolated on, the line between human and ape is blurred much more so than with dogs. I see no problem with giving them human-like rights, and even calling it that. But I'd of course stop short of ALL rights that the article mentioned, as I've hopefully made clear.

haha, I'll just keep responding to comments made to other people 🙂

Originally posted by DigiMark007
But I'd of course stop short of ALL rights that the article mentioned, as I've hopefully made clear.

I think what most people are reacting against is the idea that ALL rights would be given to apes, which would occur if a court called them a "person".

Originally posted by Bardock42
What human rights would that be?

Not a clue, to be honest. I've really overstepped myself here in technical knowledge and have basically just been talking ideologically. I only originally posted to spur thought on the capabilities of apes for those who see us as clearly removed from them....sort of a counter to species-ist arguments (which never really came). Clearly a different direction was taken. I never really intended to enter the debate from the article.

Originally posted by inimalist
I think what most people are reacting against is the idea that ALL rights would be given to apes, which would occur if a court called them a "person".

Right, which I'd also be opposed on for obvious reasons.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Not a clue, to be honest. I've really overstepped myself here in technical knowledge and have basically just been talking ideologically. I only originally posted to spur thought on the capabilities of apes for those who see us as clearly removed from them....sort of a counter to species-ist arguments (which never really came). Clearly a different direction was taken. I never really intended to enter the debate from the article.

Right, which I'd also be opposed on for obvious reasons.

I personally am wondering about what rights one should give animals and in what categories as well.

Animals should be exempt from torture, mutilation, cruel and unusual punishment, and neglect. The domestic animals like dogs and cats should have the additional freedom of not being cooked into Chinese stir-fry.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Animals should be exempt from torture, mutilation, cruel and unusual punishment, and neglect. The domestic animals like dogs and cats should have the additional freedom of not being cooked into Chinese stir-fry.

We like dogs and cats here in the States. I don't know about your Germanic ways. Do you guys keep Nazis for pets?

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
We like dogs and cats here in the States. I don't know about your Germanic ways. Do you guys keep Nazis for pets?

Because we lived in a civilized nation, not some barbarous tribe like the Reds.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Because we lived in a civilized nation, not some barbarous tribe like the Reds.

Again, they're largely arbitrary lines that are drawn. How is eating rabbit (which is done here) more acceptable than dog? Or any animal? So I'd tend to agree with bardock that it doesn't directly correlate to civilization level, but more to societal norms.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Again, they're largely arbitrary lines that are drawn. How is eating rabbit (which is done here) more acceptable than dog? Or any animal? So I'd tend to agree with bardock that it doesn't directly correlate to civilization level, but more to societal norms.

I don't think you have laws against eating dogs and cats anyways, do you?

The market takes care of it itself.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't think you have laws against eating dogs and cats anyways, do you?

The market takes care of it itself.

I really don't know if we do or not. It's not something I think about too often. But the societal norm is so strongly against it that there likely wouldn't need to be a law.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You realize that whether you eat cats and dogs does not relate to the amount of civilization of a society.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Of course I do. I was doing satire.

I see.

Isn't the whole argument backing up this Chimps right for Sentience/humanity basically that it is capable of watching television and playing video games ?

Because if so...well....it isn't really that much of an achievement.

Show me a chimp get a perfect score on Dragonforce on Professional on Guitar Hero 3 and THEN we can start talking 😉

Originally posted by grey fox
Isn't the whole argument backing up this Chimps right for Sentience/humanity basically that it is capable of watching television and playing video games ?

Because if so...well....it isn't really that much of an achievement.

Show me a chimp get a perfect score on Dragonforce on Professional on Guitar Hero 3 and THEN we can start talking 😉

Pffft! Anyone who plays Guitar Hero IS a chump.

...I mean "chimp."

😏

Originally posted by grey fox
Isn't the whole argument backing up this Chimps right for Sentience/humanity basically that it is capable of watching television and playing video games ?

Because if so...well....it isn't really that much of an achievement.

Show me a chimp get a perfect score on Dragonforce on Professional on Guitar Hero 3 and THEN we can start talking 😉

I don't think a chimp would be dumb enough to want to play Guitar Hero.

Edit: Damn it, Digi beat me to it.

Hey, I don't play it, I just acknowledge that it takes Skill to beat Dragonforce.