Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You're the same guys that tell me kryptonite doesn't equal a substantial advantage over Superman much. And Wonder Woman had it out for what appeared to be a split second in 'Sacrifice.' If you tell me that it significantly poisoned him in that short time frame, then you'll have to eat those statements in future threads. Do yourself a favor, don't. Because even in the 'Last Son' storyline, Metallo mentions that kryptonite poisoning isn't instantaneous. As far as I have seen, it can have an immediate effect if the radiation is amplified and directed at Superman (kryptonite laser blast, etc.) or pierces his skin and enters his bloodstream as in Superman/Batman #44. Having a single piece and holding it out in front of him for a split second isn't going to do a whole lot. Even I know that.Wonder Woman had no extra magical weapons then she would normally possess in 'Sacrifice' either. She's always got her lasso and tiara. Superman was neither blind, deaf nor dumb in the fight. Even though he was seeing Doomsday, Maxwell Lord was able to program Superman's mind to such a degree that he avoided lasso throws even though Doomsday has no such weapon/attack. Despite Doomsday's inability to fly, he didn't just throw Doomsday into the sun, he held onto her to take her in directly which prevented her from escaping an orbit toss through her flight. He was fighting smart and calculated, despite being made to feel and see something else.
And why is this so hard to believe? Maxwell Lord's ability to control Superman to such a degree was amply demonstrated when Maxwell Lord pushed Superman to take out the JLA in the prior fight. Superman defeated a JLA team consisting of Flash, Martian Manhunter, Black Canary, Hawkman and John Stewart with reasoning, strategy and intelligence. He wasn't swinging wildly then.
That fight is a sick fight. But only because Superman's a badass in it at the end. Otherwise, all I see is Superman allowing himself to get knocked silly by several foes before taking charge. You have your opinion, I have mine. Personally, a Superman who immediately heat visions, tackles, chokes, keeps heat visioning and goes straight for the sun without any witty banter or any hesitation is smarter, more efficient and more deadly.I also don't see why Superman would ever want to handicap himself by battling on the Earth, where Diana can commune with the Earth and do stuff like summon animals. He could and should be smart enough to negate all that and be at a significant advantage by taking the fight closer to the sun. Creativity and badass-ness are all fine and good. I just think Superman choosing to be smarter and more efficient is more akin to going "all-out" than showing off is. But like I said, you have your opinion, and I have mine.
Originally posted by janus77
he held together a planet, that's clearly enough strength to get the job done. his steps almost broke the eastern seaboard, again more than enough evidence of capability.Surfer's initial attack isn't one that would have put down The Hulk, given that Hulk's durability > Surfer's with respect to what we saw when both passed through the Sakaar wormhole.