Exodus Vs Prof. X

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
It's during the Bloodties arc I'll have to go and look at my issues again to tell you the page but I'm sure it occurs before Sersi is told to stand down or around that page when she mentions how powerful he is. One of Exodus's many powers is that he feeds off psionic energy. Sersi for some reason engaged him using her psionic powers feeding him.

I have to respectfully disagree with you about this. Exodus didn't display any psionic absorbtion powers in Bloodties, nor was it stated anywhere. The only time he's ever demonstrated this power was against Nate. He never did before and never has afterwards, unless I'm missing something.

I am aware of Exodus having the ability to syphon psi energy. But that was revealed post Blood Ties and I don’t remember reading, him accessing these powers in his fight with Sersi.

Originally posted by id369
I am aware of Exodus having the ability to syphon psi energy. But that was revealed post Blood Ties and I don’t remember reading, him accessing these powers in his fight with Sersi.

I'll have to go and check it, I remember the words "psychic vampire" being used.

But if it those words were used in another of his appearances then it should be noted that he never displayed that level of power after that appearance. Either way call it a retcon or whatever the only explanation for that feat was the huge amounts of psionic energy Sersi and he were expelling.
He was able to incite anarchy in the people of Genosha during Bloodties, however later on he needed Forges machine to control everyone in Genosha.
He got pwned by Joseph as well which was quite unfortunate and he just lost to Holocaust which was also unfortunate.

Give me an hour I have to finish some work then I'll go and re-read the Bloodties arc.

I'm not saying he's a weakling, I'm saying that people give him more credit then is due. He's around Magneto Level when all his powers are taken into account. In terms of telepathy he's around pre-upgrade Xavier level. Which is around the same level as Emma since she's been called wheelchair Xavier level in new mutants and if you look at her respect thread has the feats to back it up.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
He's around Magneto Level when all his powers are taken into account. [/B]

Exactly what I think. Exodus is roughly Magneto level, with perhaps a little more raw-power while Mags is more experienced and skilled, imo.

Originally posted by Thorion
Exactly what I think. Exodus is roughly Magneto level, with perhaps a little more raw-power while Mags is more experienced and skilled, imo.

I'd role with that. But in any event current Xavier wins the majority here. And I'd put money on Xavier beating him on the Astral Plane in the upcoming X-Men Legacy #209/208? issue. Better get some work done now.

I always considered Holocaust, a fairly strong mutant.

Originally posted by id369
I always considered Holocaust, a fairly strong mutant.

Same. If he was able to roll with Exodus without his armor, he must be pretty darn formidable with it.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I'd role with that. But in any event current Xavier wins the majority here. And I'd put money on Xavier beating him on the Astral Plane in the upcoming X-Men Legacy #209/208? issue. Better get some work done now.

Speak of the Devil:

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Originally posted by celestialdemon
Stalemating Emma is most certainly a low showing for someone who was able to battle the Avengers and X-Men at the same time while psionically holding a telepath of Jean's caliber at bay.

In addition to the above, he also held Quicksilver and Crystal motionless while slowly crushing the entire Island of Genosha with a Psionic shield none of the heroes could penetrate.

Originally posted by Crease
In addition to the above, he also held Quicksilver and Crystal motionless while slowly crushing the entire Island of Genosha with a Psionic shield none of the heroes could penetrate.

Except that point is made moot because his telekinesis is not the one under scrutiny.
It's his telepathy that is. He has taken on two Eternals on separate occasions telepathically stalemated one and looked like the victor in the other since Thena was on the floor trying her hardest to protect the Heroes for Hire. Took a psi-blast from Pre-upgrade Xavier and was barely phased. Those are high end feats. But that doesn't mean he one-uped Jean and Xavier telepathically at the same time.

And I have to correct myself on a few things. I just re-read the issue and found the incident where I thought Sersi says Exodus was absorbing her power. It was at the end when she was explaining to Gambit how powerful he is and how much he took out of her. I agree there is no conclusive proof to assume he was amped.

Exodus in Bloodties also didn't control every citizen in Genosha, he amplified the hatred in a mob which caused anarchy. He needed a machine in the 98' annual to control every citizen in Genosha. So from that we can say that he's no where near Moondragon (Dragon of The Moon) level.

However it should be noted that Exodus's defences were broken with Jean(sans Phoenix) and Xavier's combined mental assault. Jean was constantly probing at his defences weakining them while Xavier hit him with a Psi-Blast. Allowing the Black Knight to strike him down. Impressive yes. But to say he one-uped both Jean and Xavier at the same time would be inaccurate. He was around Wheelchair Xavier Level in terms of TP back then which allowed him to hold his own against the Professor. His Telekinesis which I'm not disputing here allowed him to dispose of the Avengers and X-Men, suspend Jean, Quicksilver, Wanda. His mental defences were breached when Jean and Xavier combined their mental assault.

As shown in X-Men #202 he considers the following to be in his league in terms of telepathy: Mr. Sinister, Xavier, Jean Grey and Emma Frost.

Back in Blood Ties (and Fatal Attraction) , he made an impressive appearance. Only to tell, Xavier that while he is at his peak (due to age), Exodus still has much more to harness.

I thought to myself DAMN. That MoFo gots potential, and then he let me down like Tyson did. A few hard comebacks, but nothing worth reclaiming the title.

"Current Sinister" and "current Exodus" were blocked by Emma Frost...

...but then "current Xavier" was also blocked by Emma Frost.

So "current Exodus" being stalemated by Emma Frost isn't a low showing...

The only thing one can conclude is that Emma pwns. ermmhappy

Besides, Exodus was under the impression that he would win out against her telepathically eventually.

Upgraded "current Xavier" hasn't had any showings to suggest much of an upgrade at all anyway.

Current Xavier hasn't done anything, so of course it doesn't look like he hasn't had an upgrade.

If Xavier is more powerful, then I believe he would win every single telepathic battle. I don't see how it's possible for the other to take 2/10, if they're near equals. Exodus must not have had much time to feed of anyone's psionic energy, as he has really been written down lately.

Pft, more power = more wanking >_<

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Upgraded "current Xavier" hasn't had any showings to suggest much of an upgrade at all anyway.

True, we'll have to wait till April to see how powerful Xavier is.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

That's no big deal. He's been called that even when Nate and Legion existed on the Earth.

Originally Exodus when first created was a different type of power...when he was on avolon. They down rated him to types of powers which were things like tk and telepathy. I had thought they were going to take him to some type of creator level only on a single individual level. Apparently they changed his directions.
I actually thought he had control over action. Does anyone remember that Exodus.