Originally posted by Xplosive
Against both of them together, no, even IG lose.
Nah, I'm just entertaining myself, I'll never debate this,
I just wanted to see how easy it is to say "my guy wins"
without any way to prove that.
I don't know who/what/where Mikey/Lucy ...
but I do know that the IG gives one absolute Omnipotence beneath the LT.
Only the LT (who represents the "Power/Authority" of Toaa/god) was greater.
note* ... THOTI ... makes one that "Power/Authority" ...
Originally posted by Mr Master
How you doin X? 🙂Nah, I'm just entertaining myself, I'll never debate this,
I just wanted to see how easy it is to say "my guy wins"
without any way to prove that.I don't know who/what/where Mikey/Lucy ...
but I do know that the IG gives one absolute Omnipotence beneath the LT.
Only the LT (who represents the "Power/Authority" of Toaa/god) was greater.
note* ... THOTI ... makes one that "Power/Authority" ...
I am good. You?
There is no evidence that we can say Lucifer or Michael being beyond LT. So that is why, if IG would win against one of those two, I wouldn't be surprised, but against both of them. No, even IG would lose.
And no one can even come close about saying that Michael or Lucifer have greater feats than IG. Because they don't.
Also both of them together doesn't have better feats. But they together are the power of The Presence, so we really don't need feats, that is why IG loses this.
Originally posted by Xplosive
I am good. You?
Originally posted by Xplosive
There is no evidence that we can say Lucifer or Michael being beyond LT.
So that is why, if IG would win against one of those two, I wouldn't be surprised, but against both of them. No, even IG would lose.
Originally posted by Xplosive
And no one can even come close about saying
that Michael or Lucifer have greater feats than IG.
Because they don't.
Whats to stop Thanos with the IG from using time manipulation to destroy Lucifer directly after his battle with Fenris, when he was nearly destroyed and rapidly losing power, and Micheal while he was chained by the Sandalophan, exactly?
Not saying the IG is more powerful than the elder Archangels. But I've seen exactly one time manipulation feat from Lucifer, and non from Michael. I've seen more than a few from the IG.
I'm not trying to say the IG wins. But someone give me a clear reason this strategy wouldn't work.
Originally posted by tjcoady
Whats to stop Thanos with the IG from using time manipulation to destroy Lucifer directly after his battle with Fenris, when he was nearly destroyed and rapidly losing power, and Micheal while he was chained by the Sandalophan, exactly?Not saying the IG is more powerful than the elder Archangels. But I've seen exactly one time manipulation feat from Lucifer, and non from Michael. I've seen more than a few from the IG.
I'm not trying to say the IG wins. But someone give me a clear reason this strategy wouldn't work.
Uh Lucifer wasn't losing power when he was battling Fenris, he held most of it back and even then held his own against a being whos been plotting and watching Lucifer for BILLIONS (thats with a B) of years and Luci killed him easily. Michael could have gotten himself unchained but refamed cause if he did it would destroy everything then Michael would reform from nothing. Is that enough? 😉
Originally posted by kevdude
Uh Lucifer wasn't losing power when he was battling Fenris, he held most of it back and even then held his own against a being whos been plotting and watching Lucifer for BILLIONS (thats with a B) of years and Luci killed him easily. Michael could have gotten himself unchained but refamed cause if he did it would destroy everything then Michael would reform from nothing. Is that enough? 😉
Er, no. Recall what Lucifer said right after he destroyed Fenris- he was saving all of his last strength until he was in a position to destroy him. When challenged by the Basanos about how she thought he was completely powerless he respons: "Those weren't life or death situations. I've reserved the last of my power because this was." Issue 68. It wasn't 'easy' at all for him to destroy Fenris. He very nearly lost. The WHOLE damn point of that last arc was that the world was dying because Yawheh wasn't on his throne- and that included Lucifer's power. Trust me, I'm correct about this.
And when Michael was first chained by Sandalphon, he wasn't injured enough that he craved death- that came with the millenia of torture. He could have freed himself without destroying the universe- why didn't he?
Originally posted by tjcoady
Whats to stop Thanos with the IG from using time manipulation to destroy Lucifer directly after his battle with Fenris, when he was nearly destroyed and rapidly losing power, and Micheal while he was chained by the Sandalophan, exactly?Not saying the IG is more powerful than the elder Archangels. But I've seen exactly one time manipulation feat from Lucifer, and non from Michael. I've seen more than a few from the IG.
I'm not trying to say the IG wins. But someone give me a clear reason this strategy wouldn't work.
Whats to stop him from doing the same thing?
Lucifer vs the 2 Titans who at this points had all the powers attributed to Yahweh.
They had all of Yahweh's powers who had left creation earlier, although they weren't very good with omnicience yet.:
They had prep time before marching on the silver city and Lucifer (who had previously foguht them, I'll scan that later):
They also made a copy of Lucifer with his powers that would suck away his powers and destroy him on contact based on memories of him:
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Lucifer still manages to destroy the all powerful Titans by attacking them through time at the point before they gained the powers of yahweh:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ddofer/127448131
Originally posted by Air Legend
Mike solos. IG beats Lucifer though.
He's appearently over Mike.
Here's some with Micheal. Imbued with he power of the Presence, most powerful being after the presence, created the first matter?
When he and Lucifer travel to Yggdrasil both are apparently weakened/injured thought to an equal degree.
Lucifer is driven into a killing frenzy by the blood of Fenris god of Destruction, endings, entropy, annihalation etc' (Blame it on Elaine feeding it to him, him regaining control shortly after is an another mindboggingly impressive feat).
He then fights Michael, guess who wins :
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You heard it, Lucifer is the most dangerous being there is (power isn't everything), Lucifer also didn't have the benefit of his mind here, so it even played to his weaknesses making it even more impressive.
