Originally posted by dadudemon
Shut the nervous system downI call B.S.To accomplish what are describing, you could punch them in the spine hard enough to effect the Spinal cord, punch them in the throat, or strike other softer tissues that cause sever adverse affects to obtain the goal of disabling someone, NOT shutting down the nervous system. 😐
lol, in order to shutdown the nervous system, you'd have to put some sort of substance that interacted with neuronic cell site receptors. We are talking neurotoxins. 😐 I could understand overloading the nervous system...or, more to the point, overWORKING the nervous system. (I.E. Overtraining.)
What YOU are actually looking for is the surface area of the object delivering the blow, the mass of the object delivering the blow, and velocity on impact (the latter two combine to form...CAPTAIN PLANET!...wait. wait...wrong shit. I mean "inertia".) You know, force per unit area. THAT is what you really mean.
It's not like Fist of the North Star. You can't punch or touch several places and it makes someone's head explode. It's not like kun fu panda, either. You can't use paralyzing palm techniques. That's a crock of crap. Post one shred of evidence that punching a man two inches above and one inch left of his heart, and two finger punching 2 inches left of his spleen causes him to collapse and vomit uncontrollable (that's an example and it is NOT to be taken as representative of "pressure point techniques". Sure, pressure points exist...but not like you're describing.
You may want to study neurology instead of kinesiology. Kinesiology is the study of the body's motion and the tissues involved in that happening...hence the "kinetic" portion of the word. Also, what is studied in kinesiology is not what you're talking about, either. That's more like martial arts. I suspect that you heard this word in the gym and you're not actually studying it. (Edit - wow...this last line was really dick. I'm leaving it in hear to show you how pissy I was being. You're a smart fella when it comes to the body...that last comment was out of line)
And, no RJ, I didn't over think this. I consider this information to be common knowledge and I didn't have to think about jack shit. We all learned in elementary school that a spider's venom paralyzes a bug when it bites it because of its neurotoxic venom (I, of course, learned more about neurotoxins than just grade school exposure, but you get the point.)
To answer your question, neither of the choices is acceptable. As Bruce Lee taught, strength, speed, efficiency, technique, etc. are all part of the martial art pie. I'll take all three and then some technique, thank you. They are complementary pieces of the same pie. One without the other is incomplete.
Why can't someone be very strong, very fast, very agile, AND have great technique?
I'll say this: being fast and agile means jack shit if you can't generate enough force to knock someone out or do some damage. I've sparred with those types before (usually tae kwon do types. 😐 )
Edit- I just read over what I posted. Man, I'm a dick. Sorry about that Iztak. You is good people. I'll edit my post to read better...and not so dick.
Double edit- I left the pissy stuff in there...but underlined it to show that I wanted to eliminate it. Sorry for being such a dick to a cool person.
Triple edit - I'm quite sure Bruceskywalker could back me up on the martial arts and force per unit area things I was talking about...he knows even more about martial arts than I do.
Whoa whoa whoa, I think you're misunderstanding me. No where am I saying that if you hit someone in the correct spot on Monday morning between 8:32 and 8:33 that he'll explode.
Firstly: I never said anything about the spine, in fact, quite the reverse. After all if it is brute strength vs. speed and agility the strong dude is going to have even more muscle protecting him than the fast dude, and because of this he will have to expend more energy with each strike. Thus tiring easier as RJ had mentioned. (I do realize I did not bring this up in my previous posts, it's only because you weren't there to further debate it 😛 )
Secondly: when I speak of "shutting down the nervous system" I don't say it thinking that it'll take one punch. I say it in terms of reality, (although perhaps it is not the correct wording) if you've ever been in a street fight you'll know that instinct takes over and in some cases you blackout when the adrenaline takes over. In that situation you will not stop fighting until your body gives out, now here is what I meant by overload the nervous system; a good fighter has endurance and durability but even if your level of endurance and durability is above 9000, after enough blows your body won't be able to take the abuse and that is when the body gives out and basically the body is over with pain or "nervous system is overloaded". (And again I do realize in my previous post I did make it sound like "one strike and you're out!", and that was a mistake)
Thirdly: You say "being fast and agile means jack shit if you can't generate enough force to knock someone out or do some damage" I am assuming that our fast and agile dude has some amount of strength just as our strength dude has some a some ability to move. (Ah! A direct connection to our original subject) That does bring up a good point though, lets take this to extremes; If Mr. Speed and Agility has 100% speed and agility and 0% strength, and Mr. Brute Strength has 100% brute strength and 0% speed and agility... then what we have is a never ending fight, the only way for it to end is if Mr S&A uses his speed to product force, or if Mr BS (lol BS, oops) falls on S&A. Blah...
That last part was just for fun. 😐
Anywho, I do realize where you're coming from, and appreciation your honesty.
Originally posted by Itzak
Whoa whoa whoa, I think you're misunderstanding me. No where am I saying that if you hit someone in the correct spot on Monday morning between 8:32 and 8:33 that he'll explode.
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Originally posted by Itzak
Firstly: I never said anything about the spine, in fact, quite the reverse. After all if it is brute strength vs. speed and agility the strong dude is going to have even more muscle protecting him than the fast dude, and because of this he will have to expend more energy with each strike. Thus tiring easier as RJ had mentioned. (I do realize I did not bring this up in my previous posts, it's only because you weren't there to further debate it 😛 )
No, I agree. That's good.
Originally posted by Itzak
Secondly: when I speak of "shutting down the nervous system" I don't say it thinking that it'll take one punch. I say it in terms of reality, (although perhaps it is not the correct wording) if you've ever been in a street fight you'll know that instinct takes over and in some cases you blackout when the adrenaline takes over. In that situation you will not stop fighting until your body gives out, now here is what I meant by overload the nervous system; a good fighter has endurance and durability but even if your level of endurance and durability is above 9000, after enough blows your body won't be able to take the abuse and that is when the body gives out and basically the body is over with pain or "nervous system is overloaded". (And again I do realize in my previous post I did make it sound like "one strike and you're out!", and that was a mistake)
Well, it wouldn't be the CNS shutting down, it would be plain jane damage. That's probably where the mix up is.
Originally posted by Itzak
Thirdly: You say "being fast and agile means jack shit if you can't generate enough force to knock someone out or do some damage" I am assuming that our fast and agile dude has some amount of strength just as our strength dude has some a some ability to move. (Ah! A direct connection to our original subject) That does bring up a good point though, lets take this to extremes; If Mr. Speed and Agility has 100% speed and agility and 0% strength, and Mr. Brute Strength has 100% brute strength and 0% speed and agility... then what we have is a never ending fight, the only way for it to end is if Mr S&A uses his speed to product force, or if Mr BS (lol BS, oops) falls on S&A. Blah...
That's true. They may wear themselves out.
A little dude with lots of speed could generate enough force, (technique is required, of course) to knock a big guy out. In fact, those little guys, if I'm not mistaken, have just as many knockouts as the big guys. However, those little guys (featherweights), can still pack a huge punch, so they are not a good example of small no power "fighters".
Originally posted by Itzak
That last part was just for fun. 😐Anywho, I do realize where you're coming from, and appreciation your honesty.
Nah, I was being a dick.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
ever been hit in the face by a featherweighter?
Yes. 😐
I used to let people punch me in the face just to prove how invincible I was. It was rather dumb, but it proved a point, generally: most people are such vaginas that they can't knock me out even when given a free shot.
The hardest hit I ever got was from this big guy named Justin. He didn't even put full force into it, but he was so BIG and his fists were HUGE! A literal goliath of a man. We were sitting down, but it was a good swing. It gave me a really bad headache afterwards, but that was it.
I must say that if that motherf*cker was given a full swing while standing up, he'd break my jaw. He was like, butterbean, but much bigger. 😐
Originally posted by leonheartmm
its NOT nice!
Nah. Those guys were almost nothing. Some girls could punch harder than those little shits. Don't forget, I'm an internet badass. 313