The Old Gods vs Kain

Originally posted by Becci
Then why dig up something a year old instead of that? However, I do not think as of lately BT has admitted that Kain could BEAT Living Tribunal. Only that he would not be slain.

Two times resurrected is indeed pretty tough. Especially since the shield only covers 5.000 blows and there are 7500 elementals to start with (Assuming there is no lieutenant, leader or commander) They do barely have to hit one time every second elemental, since Kain would pretty much be overwhelmed.

I think that by reducing the number of elementals greatly, 2 times back to life would be more fair. 7.500 is an awfully lot of elementals.

and more importantly, why not PM it to me instead of dragging it into threads where it has no relevence but to spite...

ime not sure, depending on kains distance, he may be able to rip them apart from range, he could make them all fight eachother using inspire hate and the conflict pillar emblem, which will mean he is fighting only a few enemies at a time, reaving their souls as he goes with the reaver

also Furion says no dimension tele but he didnt say no dimension reaver, he could use the minor reality warp so that his hits mirror onto all the enemies around him so hell be hitting huge groups of elementals with just one blow, not to menstion their going to be trying to destroy eachother

i think if this inspire hate also worked on the old Gods which is an unkown but in a what if scenario, if it did, Kain may clear this since half the army he is fighting against will be killing eachother

IF the Old Gods would be applied by 'Inspire Hate', it could be his lucky day. They would bring such massive destruction upon eachother.

However, remember a few points that would limit the chances of the ability to apply.

- The Old Gods are ANCIENT. Their intellect and wisdom are beyond understanding. So is their experience in both deception and illusionary arts.

- The Old Gods have always lived alongside, since for all we know- the beginning of time. A simple spell would most likely only cause at top a moment of confusion to them, since they relativly quickly would turn back to the real threat. They are not stupid, nor weak-minded.

However, I agree that if the 'Inspire Hate' is areal to a large scale- it could work highly in his advantage. However, involving Ragnaros in the fight would pretty much make the ability a none-factor. At least against him. UNLESS he got effected. He for crying out loud killed Thunderaan with ONE hit 😂

He is also at least about hundred times larger than the normal elemental. He would smash that army silly quite quickly.

Originally posted by Becci
IF the Old Gods would be applied by 'Inspire Hate', it could be his lucky day. They would bring such massive destruction upon eachother.

However, remember a few points that would limit the chances of the ability to apply.

- The Old Gods are ANCIENT. Their intellect and wisdom are beyond understanding. So is their experience in both deception and illusionary arts.

- The Old Gods have always lived alongside, since for all we know- the beginning of time. A simple spell would most likely only cause at top a moment of confusion to them, since they relativly quickly would turn back to the real threat. They are not stupid, nor weak-minded.

However, I agree that if the 'Inspire Hate' is areal to a large scale- it could work highly in his advantage. However, involving Ragnaros in the fight would pretty much make the ability a none-factor. At least against him. [b]UNLESS he got effected. He for crying out loud killed Thunderaan with ONE hit 😂

He is also at least about hundred times larger than the normal elemental. He would smash that army silly quite quickly. [/B]

indeed Raggy would crush that army, but the thing is its not a power of the mind typically, its a spell that alters that simply makes the enemy attack eachother, even brotherhoods of knights loyal to eachother for likely years are turned instantly although their not like old Gods, i think the Old Gods fighting eachother considering their not so close bond as i understand it, their simply scheming beings, who although powerful ime not sure their disposition would be best against Inspire hate which is a spell not really a mind power as such, its one of those concept things of conflict, kain just makes them conflict with this power

Anyway, I think that the only thing that could truely save Kain here would be THAT. Having the Old Gods turn against eachother and have a possible Ragnaros turn against the elemental army will be devestating for their side to say the least.

indeed and in the process kain may be destroyed anyway lol, 5 old gods laying the smackdown

ah well

If his shield stop working, he will be obliterated in a second. If his 'Inspire Hate' applies quickly enough and he has a little luck along with that, that Ragnaros or the Old Gods does not resist it, he would have a chance of making it. However, 7.500 elementals will be quite the knockout to his shield if he is not quick enough.

The shield and Kain's luck will determine the outcome.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Evil angel have you not read anything on kain, are you bashing him just because you want to get at me? if so then thats bashing, however ill just take into account perhaps you dont know about kain although i swear youve been here long enough to look in a few threads, he has no need for blood, his heart is ripped out as well, drinking blood however can instantly heal kains body, sorta like super regeneration

I don't mean to bash you 😐

you're twisting what i'm saying 😬

I was just saying... well he does look alot like the creeper mixed with an old man. I have you seen the Creeper?

Oh come on, that seems alot like denial. No need for blood but, yet, if he's consumed it, there's rapid regen. Do you have proof, when his body is drains of all blood, he can still come back from because sliced up?

Originally posted by EvilAngel
I don't mean to bash you 😐

you're twisting what i'm saying 😬

I was just saying... well he does look alot like the creeper mixed with an old man. I have you seen the Creeper?

Oh come on, that seems alot like denial. No need for blood but, yet, if he's consumed it, there's rapid regen. Do you have proof, when his body is drains of all blood, he can still come back from because sliced up?

okie good

Jeepers creepers? the thing that eats people? or am i thinking of something else

well yes because he cant die fullstop, his nature does not allow him to die, but his hearts been ripped out, without the heart blood does not pump, recently it was torn out, its unlikely his mortal body means anything to do with how he can die or if it means much to him. We know Blood rapidly and almost instantly regerates his body in the games anyway but his body does not need blood, hell when he turns to mist he doesnt have blood or anything at all, ime sure he would get hungry without blood, but then again ime unsure about that. What i do know is if his heart is ripped out, blood cant pump, vital organs would need blood but his heart is vital and is gone, he would not have blood after a long time of not gaining any, also Kain does not drink any blood after his heart is ripped out in canon, its unlikely he needs it any more, hes no normal vampire especialyl without his heart

Originally posted by Burning thought
okie good

Jeepers creepers? the thing that eats people? or am i thinking of something else

well yes because he cant die fullstop, his nature does not allow him to die, but his hearts been ripped out, without the heart blood does not pump, recently it was torn out, its unlikely his mortal body means anything to do with how he can die or if it means much to him. We know Blood rapidly and almost instantly regerates his body in the games anyway but his body does not need blood, hell when he turns to mist he doesnt have blood or anything at all, ime sure he would get hungry without blood, but then again ime unsure about that. What i do know is if his heart is ripped out, blood cant pump, vital organs would need blood but his heart is vital and is gone, he would not have blood after a long time of not gaining any, also Kain does not drink any blood after his heart is ripped out in canon, its unlikely he needs it any more, hes no normal vampire especialyl without his heart

Yeah that's it, it has long white hair, and it's all dark and scalely, but, it's a bit slimey, so i had to mix it with somethnig

Sorry, but exaplin biology doesn't do it for me. Unless you can explain how vampires live anyway 😐

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Yeah that's it, it has long white hair, and it's all dark and scalely, but, it's a bit slimey, so i had to mix it with somethnig

Sorry, but exaplin biology doesn't do it for me. Unless you can explain how vampires live anyway 😐

vampires in LOK can live in diffrent ways, Kain however is a spirit vampire, his soul has been taken from the underworld when he was mortal and put back in his flesh and through the heart of darkness keeps him alive, the heart gives him vampiric unlife as well as keeping his soul intact, however ofc kain is weird thanks to his scion status so even with the heart ripped out (which is why the heart is prob more important to him than anything else in his body) he can somehow live on, he just cannot die you see

the blood is unkown, he gets strength from drinking it but i dont think he will die from not drinking it, i mean he was asleep for 100s of years without blood so its not like its neccery, i would say in Nosgoth its more of a "strength" booster than a survival thing like in other fictions

You can't see his hair in that, and he is mighty covered up.

But you see the likeness? or am i even more crazy than i was yesterday?

Originally posted by Burning thought
vampires in LOK can live in diffrent ways, Kain however is a spirit vampire, his soul has been taken from the underworld when he was mortal and put back in his flesh and through the heart of darkness keeps him alive, the heart gives him vampiric unlife as well as keeping his soul intact, however ofc kain is weird thanks to his scion status so even with the heart ripped out (which is why the heart is prob more important to him than anything else in his body) he can somehow live on, he just cannot die you see

the blood is unkown, he gets strength from drinking it but i dont think he will die from not drinking it, i mean he was asleep for 100s of years without blood so its not like its neccery, i would say in Nosgoth its more of a "strength" booster than a survival thing like in other fictions

Point proven

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Do normal vampires need blood?

Originally posted by EvilAngel

You can't see his hair in that, and he is mighty covered up.

But you see the likeness? or am i even more crazy than i was yesterday?

that guys got hardly any muscle but there is a tiny likeness, but this guy looks more bestial, i think kain looks more soverign status the way he sits on his throne in this image

besides that guy looks like kain on a bad day, his skin is not as smooth as kains and his hear is all straggly, kain obviously keeps his smooth 😛

Just thinknig actually...The Creeper is progbably the strongest monsters movie character than under building size.

Jason,
Freddie
Pinhead
Micheal

He beats em all 😐

😐

Uuuuuh, you sure you are not forgetting something? 😛

i dunno, hes quite fast and strong, Freddie is a bit pathetic, what does pinhead actually do?

Yeah but....er.....ok

Originally posted by Burning thought
i dunno, hes quite fast and strong, Freddie is a bit pathetic, whos micheal?

Micheal Myers of course 😛

All five old Gods at full power with there Elementary Armies, Kain is going down.

Originally posted by Utrigita
All five old Gods at full power with there Elementary Armies, Kain is going down.

That has already been agreed to. The only way for Kain to make it trough is if the forces start fighting eachother.