Originally posted by carver9No I don't have proof that he was at full power, and I'm glad you agree with me. 🙂
Do you honesty have proof that superman was at full power. I didnt see anywhere in that battle where thor used his hammer to absorb anything from superman, then the sad thing about the battle was that it was short, there wasnt many blows that was passed to make a difference in supermans ability. Iron man stunned him and the rest of the 10 tonners - 100 tonner whipped his a**.I have seen superman fight darkseid, then get the hell beaten out of him (when darkseid was trying to put him in the armor that he built to defeat imperex), then fly off and fight some imperex probes and still contain all of his powers. Like I said, iron man stunned him and the rest of the avengers crushed him.
It's called exhaustion. He had to exert himself to KO Thor. He got smoked a couple times by Thor, etc. He also had to catch and hold Thor's hammer with one hand.
That's because the comic was bunk. The whole series was terribly written. Superman should not KO Thor ever that easily. Superman should not ever catch a full hammer swing like that. Hell, Wonder Woman owned Herc in that series as well. Wonder Woman easily broke out of Quaser's constructs? Like what the f*ck? Wonderman can crack Kyle's constructs? Iron Man is put on the level as a GL? Darkseid's OE travels faster than Flash? Monica manipulates the GL energy like a toy?
You can't honestly use other sources to try and prove that that series is OK evidence, or that Superman was at full power. Sure his stamina is great in one comic, but in that series, it was crap (or he gets exhausted from his toughest opponent ever). Unless you want to try and prove that Iron Man hits as hard as Thor. ermm
If Superman can beat Thor in a short fight, then how the hell do Namor, or IM stand a chance? 😬
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Thor vs. Supes is a good fight, but Supes gets a narrow majority due to speed.and if you actually think Iron Man can beat Superman period, you are tripping. 😐
I give a large nod to thor vs supes due to thor being more powerful and superman dont know how to fight like a dragonballz character and thor knowing how to cancel out the little ways that superman knows how to use his speed. If youre referring to flight speed, thor also flies at incredible speed. If youre referring to combat speed,(something that superman havent shown but 2 to 3 times his entire career, not counting the fast movement of hands because spiderman and wolverine can mimic the same trick. NOT SAYING THAT THEY DO IT FASTER), it has yet to be proven that superman even possess that, let alone that it would work on thor. Thor can easily win a fight against superman due to soul snatch, absorbing his energy, continuously hitting superman with magical energy or just overpowering him with well place magical hammer hits to the head.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
No I don't have proof that he was at full power, and I'm glad you agree with me. 🙂It's called exhaustion. He had to exert himself to KO Thor. He got smoked a couple times by Thor, etc. He also had to catch and hold Thor's hammer with one hand.
That's because the comic was bunk. The whole series was terribly written. Superman should not KO Thor ever that easily. Superman should not ever catch a full hammer swing like that. Hell, Wonder Woman owned Herc in that series as well. Wonder Woman easily broke out of Quaser's constructs? Like what the f*ck? Wonderman can crack Kyle's constructs? Iron Man is put on the level as a GL? Darkseid's OE travels faster than Flash? Monica manipulates the GL energy like a toy?
You can't honestly use other sources to try and prove that that series is OK evidence, or that Superman was at full power. Sure his stamina is great in one comic, but in that series, it was crap (or he gets exhausted from his toughest opponent ever). Unless you want to try and prove that Iron Man hits as hard as Thor. ermm
If Superman can beat Thor in a short fight, then how the hell do Namor, or IM stand a chance? 😬
I agree with you, I agreed a long time ago that that comic was crap but people (just like trickster) is implying that it is cannon and Im tired of arguing about it. Everything that you said I totally agree. Ironman repulsor rays shouldnt have hurt superman ON THAT SCALE. Superman shouldnt have beaten thor so easily, to me I dont think that he should have beaten him at all. EVERYTHING that you have said is true but as long as that debate is being used on the forum and it is stating as being valid, I have the right to use parts of the comic as well.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
🤨 100 tonners? All of those people are not 100 tonners. They're more like class incalculable. The class 100 system DOES NOT WORK for DC. Nor does it apply.
Im not going to say incaculable due to the fact that I already read the strength that some of the dc characters possess. For someone to have incaculable strength it has to say it about that character and I have never seen it stated about wonderwoman or superman. How could you have incaculable strength then the writter turn around and say that someone is stronger then you. Example, you say that wonderwoman has incaculable strength but superman is stronger then her, dont make sense. The ONLY time that I would give superman incaculable strength is when he's sundipping, besides that Im going to go by the scale and list him as a 100 tonner (which we all know that he is well above).
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
90% of it. Even I don't think Supes can KO Thor that easily. And Supes being hurt by IM? Granted he was burned out from fighting Thor, but in a straight fight, IM has no chance.
What makes you assume that Iron man dont stand a chance when he has fought similar and more powerful beings (he lost but he did well against them). He did also fight hyperion and this was a down graded iron man. Now I already know what youre going to say, how can you compare hyperion to superman, why couldnt I, they possess the same powers, everything appears the same, the only difference is that superman has his own comic and has more feats to show. With all of iron mans abilities, hes not going to beat superman but he will give him a good fight just like he gives everyone he fights against a good fight. Ironman suit makes him one of the most versatile character in comics. I havent seen anything yet that it cant do.
Originally posted by carver9I know one thing it can't do and thats beat Superman. 😱
What makes you assume that Iron man dont stand a chance when he has fought similar and more powerful beings (he lost but he did well against them). He did also fight hyperion and this was a down graded iron man. Now I already know what youre going to say, how can you compare hyperion to superman, why couldnt I, they possess the same powers, everything appears the same, the only difference is that superman has his own comic and has more feats to show. With all of iron mans abilities, hes not going to beat superman but he will give him a good fight just like he gives everyone he fights against a good fight. Ironman suit makes him one of the most versatile character in comics. I havent seen anything yet that it cant do.
Originally posted by iceman24567
I know one thing it can't do and thats beat Superman. 😱
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I agree, it cant beat superman for a majority but if iron man uses his sonics along with his other ability, like manipulate metal while having his forcefield up, he could get some wins. Iron man is like pre crisis superman, any power he thinks of, it comes to surface.
Doesn't matter. Superman goes out of character and speed blitzes Iron Man at 1 bajillion times light hitting him with strengths under Thor and Hercules (remember, these two have legit World Lifting feats, unlike S-Man) for the win.
Oh and Iron Man doesn't hurt Superman despite being shown capable of hurting beings in his weight class
even Superman himself!
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Doesn't matter. Superman goes out of character and speed blitzes Iron Man at 1 bajillion times light hitting him with strengths under Thor and Hercules (remember, these two have legit World Lifting feats, unlike S-Man) for the win.Oh and Iron Man doesn't hurt Superman despite being shown capable of hurting beings in his weight class
even Superman himself!
Now I totally agree with this statement. They wont provide on panel proof that he able to do these things but they always bring it up.
I agree with the second statement also.
Beautiful post. 💃
Originally posted by TricksterPriestEh?
It IS canon. Never said it wasn't badly written. srug
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Crossovers=NON-CANON. 😐
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
It's canon for DC. But not for Marvel. 😄
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The cosmic egg containing Krona was referenced and shown in an issue of JLA. Thus, it's canon for DC. There are no such references for Marvel.
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
FOOL Superman has taken shots from Imperiex that vaporized Doomsday with ease and dusted himself off like nothing happened.Nothing short of Skyfather level power puts a dent in him.
The Batman instance is bad writing. As is him getting hurt by beings weaker then Imperiex.
Who's to say that imperex used the same amount of power that he used against doomsday. And you say that nothing short of sky father can harm superman huh. Answer this for me, is mongul sky father level, is wonderwoman sky father level, hell is black canary sky father level, is gog sky father level, what about doomsday, do you consider him sky father level, naah, I can do better then that, lets use crossover (which isnt cannon but fun to use), is venom sky father level, what about spiderman, is he sky father level, is thor sky father level, no cant forget, lobo, is he sky father, one more, I know I can think of one more, is solomon grundy sky father.
Your points are biased, it was cannon that batman stalemated superman and it wasnt the first time that it happened.