Let me just tell you what I think...

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Originally posted by cornponious
And you know, i don't really give a flying fart if this has been covered already in this here forum, because I don't have the time any more to just sit around reading this crap all day every day like I used to. So don't give me any grief, because if you do, it will be ignored, or I may just give you the old generic flame form

So, here's what I think:

I think George Lucas made a big old shite-eating mistake when he DIDN'T make Palpatine the apprentice who killed Darth Plagueis (I don't know how it's really spelled, and this is how I'm spelling it). He also made the stupidest goofiest mistake in the history of Star Wars movies (and there are lots of them to compare to) by making Palpatine's massively aged appearance a result of his using his lightning force power for a long time on Mace Windu. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

Let's face it here, Lucas missed a once-in-a-lifetime chance to write this story the way it should have been written. It is SOOOO PAINFULLY obvious how it should have happened. Let me elaborate:

Palpy is at that weird space water show with Anakin. He's stroking his ego and telling him about the sith. Then he goes into the story about Darth Plagueis and how he had the power to save lives, create life, and bring people back from the dead. He tells him how this was 1000 years ago. He tells him about how Plagueis was so short-sighted and stupid that he didn't realize that his apprentice was plotting to kill him in his sleep. Anakin's like "hmmm".

Ok, so we advance a bit and we're at the part where Windu is confronting Palpy. Palpy reveals to them that he is a sith and attacks them (we'll not mention what a LAME looking fight that was and how nobody in the production of the film seemed to care that McDiarmid looke completely stiff and nonconvincing in this fight). Anakin walks in and is all like "Hey, WTF? What's goin' on, yo?". And here's what SHOULD have happened:

Palpatine is on the floor, succumbed to Windu's superior light-saber skills, when we see Palpy suddenly grunting and groaning in horrible pain as he lets go of the control he has on his own body (using his very powerful control of the dark side of the force) which has been maintaining his body to give the illusion that he is a man in his 50's, when in fact he is over 1000 years old, frail, wrinkled, and hideous. THIS is when he would release his lightning force on Windu, hurling him out the window to his death, as the sight of Palpy transforming into this old man causes him to lose track of what he is doing.

So, it would turn out that Palpy was in fact the apprentice that killed Plagueis, and has spent all this time hiding his true self, waiting for the perfect time to use the dark side to take control of the galaxy. He also would have become so powerful in the dark side that he would have developed the ability to "create life" with the dark side of the force, and would have been the one who created Anakin from the force inside Anakin's mother, as a means to his control of the galaxy.

It's all so simple. It should have been this way. This would have been perfect. Anybody who really thinks about it knows that this is the way things should have turned out.

i think your a tool. plagus (or however the hell you spell it) wasnt 1000 years ago. palpatine wanted to be in the losing position for when anakin came to save him. palps used the whole fight to his advantage, and if you knew anything about star wars you'd know that theres many theories about exactly what happened to palps face, a few of which being, 1. he called upon so much dark side energy it rapidly decayed/aged his body 2. it was his real face and he was using the force to mask it (not the first time used) and decided that a scared looking face will be a tool to help him 3. same as 2 except he lost focus of the force trick used to keep himself like that and decided to leave it. palps also did kill plagus and palp's true strength is in manipulating others, thats why he took over the galaxy and killed the jedi, if you actually pay attention to the movies you'll notice he does almost nothing himself, he even manipulated yoda to a certain degree.

In other words: the whole face melting business was a bad move.

Not entirely...it created sympathy for him in the senate.

But not with us.

No, but he doesn't know we are here.

Lucas does, he makes it for us.

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PWNED again!

Ah. I see.

LOCK THIS SHIT!

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looking at all the closed threads made me lol, that's what I think
<3 Queeq

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You actually got that?

Re: Let me just tell you what I think...

Originally posted by cornponious
And you know, i don't really give a flying fart if this has been covered already in this here forum, because I don't have the time any more to just sit around reading this crap all day every day like I used to. So don't give me any grief, because if you do, it will be ignored, or I may just give you the old generic flame form

So, here's what I think:

I think George Lucas made a big old shite-eating mistake when he DIDN'T make Palpatine the apprentice who killed Darth Plagueis (I don't know how it's really spelled, and this is how I'm spelling it). He also made the stupidest goofiest mistake in the history of Star Wars movies (and there are lots of them to compare to) by making Palpatine's massively aged appearance a result of his using his lightning force power for a long time on Mace Windu. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

Let's face it here, Lucas missed a once-in-a-lifetime chance to write this story the way it should have been written. It is SOOOO PAINFULLY obvious how it should have happened. Let me elaborate:

Palpy is at that weird space water show with Anakin. He's stroking his ego and telling him about the sith. Then he goes into the story about Darth Plagueis and how he had the power to save lives, create life, and bring people back from the dead. He tells him how this was 1000 years ago. He tells him about how Plagueis was so short-sighted and stupid that he didn't realize that his apprentice was plotting to kill him in his sleep. Anakin's like "hmmm".

Ok, so we advance a bit and we're at the part where Windu is confronting Palpy. Palpy reveals to them that he is a sith and attacks them (we'll not mention what a LAME looking fight that was and how nobody in the production of the film seemed to care that McDiarmid looke completely stiff and nonconvincing in this fight). Anakin walks in and is all like "Hey, WTF? What's goin' on, yo?". And here's what SHOULD have happened:

Palpatine is on the floor, succumbed to Windu's superior light-saber skills, when we see Palpy suddenly grunting and groaning in horrible pain as he lets go of the control he has on his own body (using his very powerful control of the dark side of the force) which has been maintaining his body to give the illusion that he is a man in his 50's, when in fact he is over 1000 years old, frail, wrinkled, and hideous. THIS is when he would release his lightning force on Windu, hurling him out the window to his death, as the sight of Palpy transforming into this old man causes him to lose track of what he is doing.

So, it would turn out that Palpy was in fact the apprentice that killed Plagueis, and has spent all this time hiding his true self, waiting for the perfect time to use the dark side to take control of the galaxy. He also would have become so powerful in the dark side that he would have developed the ability to "create life" with the dark side of the force, and would have been the one who created Anakin from the force inside Anakin's mother, as a means to his control of the galaxy.

It's all so simple. It should have been this way. This would have been perfect. Anybody who really thinks about it knows that this is the way things should have turned out.

Except for the error is dates, well said.

It was.

Originally posted by cornponious
And you know, i don't really give a flying fart if this has been covered already in this here forum, because I don't have the time any more to just sit around reading this crap all day every day like I used to. So don't give me any grief, because if you do, it will be ignored, or I may just give you the old generic flame form

So, here's what I think:

I think George Lucas made a big old shite-eating mistake when he DIDN'T make Palpatine the apprentice who killed Darth Plagueis (I don't know how it's really spelled, and this is how I'm spelling it). He also made the stupidest goofiest mistake in the history of Star Wars movies (and there are lots of them to compare to) by making Palpatine's massively aged appearance a result of his using his lightning force power for a long time on Mace Windu. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

Let's face it here, Lucas missed a once-in-a-lifetime chance to write this story the way it should have been written. It is SOOOO PAINFULLY obvious how it should have happened. Let me elaborate:

Palpy is at that weird space water show with Anakin. He's stroking his ego and telling him about the sith. Then he goes into the story about Darth Plagueis and how he had the power to save lives, create life, and bring people back from the dead. He tells him how this was 1000 years ago. He tells him about how Plagueis was so short-sighted and stupid that he didn't realize that his apprentice was plotting to kill him in his sleep. Anakin's like "hmmm".

Ok, so we advance a bit and we're at the part where Windu is confronting Palpy. Palpy reveals to them that he is a sith and attacks them (we'll not mention what a LAME looking fight that was and how nobody in the production of the film seemed to care that McDiarmid looke completely stiff and nonconvincing in this fight). Anakin walks in and is all like "Hey, WTF? What's goin' on, yo?". And here's what SHOULD have happened:

Palpatine is on the floor, succumbed to Windu's superior light-saber skills, when we see Palpy suddenly grunting and groaning in horrible pain as he lets go of the control he has on his own body (using his very powerful control of the dark side of the force) which has been maintaining his body to give the illusion that he is a man in his 50's, when in fact he is over 1000 years old, frail, wrinkled, and hideous. THIS is when he would release his lightning force on Windu, hurling him out the window to his death, as the sight of Palpy transforming into this old man causes him to lose track of what he is doing.

So, it would turn out that Palpy was in fact the apprentice that killed Plagueis, and has spent all this time hiding his true self, waiting for the perfect time to use the dark side to take control of the galaxy. He also would have become so powerful in the dark side that he would have developed the ability to "create life" with the dark side of the force, and would have been the one who created Anakin from the force inside Anakin's mother, as a means to his control of the galaxy.

It's all so simple. It should have been this way. This would have been perfect. Anybody who really thinks about it knows that this is the way things should have turned out.

Funny, Palps rather cryptic story always lead me to assume that what you posted is the way it went down.

Especially the little smile he has when talking of the apprentice killing Plagieus, I thought it was commonly assumed that Palps was this apprentice.

That's what I've always put forth in the threads about Plagueis and Anakin. I always felt that the Emporer was way older than everybody, and had been biding his time.

I don't even think that in the film he's necessarily "zapped" into looking old, I think he just lets go of the mask at that moment to trick Anakin into thinking that he's getting fried to death. (he is getting fried, but only a little. He can take it.)

Did GL or anybody else actually say that the lightning injuries are what cause his face to look old and withered?

If not, I'd say that my theory (and Corn's preference) stands. 🙂

As far as I know GL only said that the lightning caused his face to change. What lis at the base of that mechanism... i dunno if GL ever said anything about that. It's still a weird scene.

while you point out a logical loophole, its very doubtful that it wasnt caused by his own lightning, as in he was normal before and deformed after, as opposed to the lightning causing him to drop his facade. its not even worth pondering imho.

*edit* in fact i think it hurt the plot in 3 ways.

1-anakin felt no pity for palpatine and would have cut him down or arrested him without a second thought if it wasnt for the padme issue. so to introduce that element was irrelevant and nonsensical.

2-it would have worked better for the plot if palpatine's sympathy from the senate was based on a pure fabrication. instead, he is telling a half-truth, since it was maces reflecting as opposed to deflecting of his force lightning that deformed him. i would have rather seen a flatout lie.

3-his own purposeful deformation expresses a willingness to sacrifice and risk his own life for his principles...a level of dedication which seems to equal that of the jedi. i think he would have come off as more cowardly and deceitful if this wasnt the case.

I agree.

Although I'm still not sure if the lightning actually touched his face. And the facial deformity doesn't explain how his eyes turned yellow all of a sudden. Anakin was suddenly able to have yellow eyes without a melted face. I think GL really didn't work out how a Senator from Ep1 could turn into Prune Face from ROTJ. And that's pretty sad.

my interpretation is that their eyes turn yellow when their hatered is unrestrained, like when his eyes morph just before screaming "I HATE YOU" to kenobi. then again im trying to make sense of the nonsensical, since maul's eyes are yellow even when he's chilled out and mellow when talking with palpatine, anakins eyes are normal when he slaughters the younglings, and palps' eyes are normal when screaming "no...NO!!! YOU WILL DIE!!!" it would have hammered the point home if their eyes would have morphed at the appropriate times, but hey....thats all superficial. as long as we know that the force is actually a biological reaction and padme died of a broken heart. *vomits*