Greg Pak about Hulk vs Superman

Originally posted by Kutulu
I never said that it made him a skyfather character, only that his strength and power can reach skyfather levels and beyond. Skyfathers have numerous other abilities, from mystical to physical, and that's what distinguishes them as skyfathers.

If Lobo lifted the weight of the universe, more power to him, I would put that as a skyfather+ level strength feat.

Originally posted by FearOfBlood
http://www.brokenfrontier.com/columns/details.php?id=792

AGdAV: Second, in the last moments, when Hulk released his real fury, causing massive destruction and blowing energy from his body, who could stop it? I meant, what heroes could stop it? Superman, maybe?

Greg Pak: With all due respect to the Distinguished Competition, I don't think even Superman would stand a chance. In the end, only the Hulk himself could provide the opening that Iron Man needed to end the madness.

Some days ago:

http://www.brokenfrontier.com/columns/details.php?id=782

MZ: Since Thor has the Odinforce and is more powerful than his father, is he stronger than the Green Scar?

GP: All I can say is that if I were Thor, I wouldn’t have wanted to be in the Sentry’s place during the climactic battle in “World War Hulk” #5

Greg Pak best hulk writer ever 😈

The day ANY of the Hulks can pull this:

I will consider Hulk a WORTHY opponent for the Man of Steel.

Until then...Mr. Pak..you're a friggin idiot. Thanks, now I really hate WWH. With all due respect of course...

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
The day ANY of the Hulks can pull this:

I will consider Hulk a WORTHY opponent for the Man of Steel.

Until then...Mr. Pak..you're a friggin idiot. Thanks, now I really hate WWH. With all due respect of course...

Superman himself realizes how Hulk's strength is growing geometrically in that second scan. It even says that the "outcome of the strange duel is in doubt" - meaning that Superman was surprised at just how fast the Hulk's strength was growing over it's baseline.

WWH was regular Hulk except starting off automatically in an angry state from the get-go from learning to meditate on his rage. Hulk also punched PC supes into orbit so far that it showed him in outer space far away from Earth.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
The day ANY of the Hulks can pull this:

I will consider Hulk a WORTHY opponent for the Man of Steel.

Until then...Mr. Pak..you're a friggin idiot. Thanks, now I really hate WWH. With all due respect of course...

Well said WD.

Greg has talent, I will give him that....but he must have shit for brains to say what he thinks about this.

And Fearofblood is not even worth my time to reply back to.

interesting and perfectly valid take on matters.

Hulk's always been capable of such levels of power and this has been recognised by The Beyonder, amongst others.

it's just that it isn't frequently shown, and when it is, people get an allergic reaction to Hulk's feats 😐.

Hulk was tough enough to hang with Onslaught and to dent his armour and, naturally, that's not even a 'peak' for him. the same Onslaught *****-slapped Juggernaut and half of Marvel's toughest heroes.

Hulk has endured, contained and released universes of energy, beyond anything Surfer or Thor or any Herald level character is capable of. the nearest feat I can think of is when Surfer took out UniLord, but still... that was just one minor dimension.

it's the powerlevels that Hulk can instantly tap into and release, not the way he smacks around guys like Thing, that should be taken into account when assessing the potential of the character. and, to repeat, Hulk's potential is infinite.

Originally posted by Kutulu

WWH was regular Hulk except starting off automatically in an angry state from the get-go from learning to meditate on his rage. Hulk also punched PC supes into orbit so far that it showed him in outer space far away from Earth.

Must be just me...but how can you be in rage and meditate at the same time.

confused1

Originally posted by janus77
Hulk was tough enough to hang with Onslaught and to dent his armour and, naturally, that's not even a 'peak' for him. the same Onslaught *****-slapped Juggernaut and half of Marvel's toughest heroes.

Hulk has endured, contained and released universes of energy, beyond anything Surfer or Thor or any Herald level character is capable of. the nearest feat I can think of is when Surfer took out UniLord, but still... that was just one minor dimension.

Hmm.

Half of Marvel's toughest heroes?

Energy beyond Thor and Surfer?

😱

😆

Originally posted by Kutulu
Pak is a very good writer. Being the writer allows him to do something amazing - write a story.

Just because you guys try to pidgeonhole the Hulk into a certain position doesn't mean that's how the character actually is.

If a writer decides to upgrade someone in power, then that's their perogative, not yours as the reader. The storyline of why the Hulk got exponentially stronger makes sense and was emotional, it wasn't just "oh Hulk get shiney object and now is stronger than ever!" type of story. He went through tears and blood to save planet Sakaar to have it ruined, it's no surprise that his anger level went up exponentially along with his strength.

Yes I said exponentially. Meaning his strength went from the equivilant of 10^9 to 10^18 or something along those lines. It didn't rise linear - it was exponential, and that fits in with his character consistently as how he's been portrayed. So the writer has plenty of canon events to grow upon, it's just the people here like to put him in a certain spot and assume he stays there indefinitely.

Fact of the matter is that Hulk's strength, which has always been described as infinite in terms of limit, can put him from the equivilant of low herald all the way up to skyfather levels and beyond.

Laugh all you want, but that's how the character is portrayed.

Sweet.

Originally posted by FearOfBlood
Sweet.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Must be just me...but how can you be in rage and meditate at the same time.

confused1

Hulk's rage is mystical!

You haters wouldn't understand.

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Hulk's rage is mystical!

omg

We're not worthy! pray

Originally posted by janus77
interesting and perfectly valid take on matters.

Hulk's always been capable of such levels of power and this has been recognised by The Beyonder, amongst others.

it's just that it isn't frequently shown, and when it is, people get an allergic reaction to Hulk's feats 😐.

Hulk was tough enough to hang with Onslaught and to dent his armour and, naturally, that's not even a 'peak' for him. the same Onslaught *****-slapped Juggernaut and half of Marvel's toughest heroes.

Hulk has endured, contained and released universes of energy, beyond anything Surfer or Thor or any Herald level character is capable of. the nearest feat I can think of is when Surfer took out UniLord, but still... that was just one minor dimension.

it's the powerlevels that Hulk can instantly tap into and release, not the way he smacks around guys like Thing, that should be taken into account when assessing the potential of the character. and, to repeat, Hulk's potential is infinite.

But his strength isn't enough and he fails. 😊

Originally posted by Peek
His potential strength yes.

But his strength isn't enough and he fails. 😊

Except at the end of WWH # 5, where he loses it and his strength exponentially continues to rise so high that his mere existence was a threat to the planet. One step shook the entire eastern seaboard, imagine if he tried to jog, the planet would be destroyed before he got to a quarter mile.

His slightest touch at that point was greater than what most class 100's would do with a haymaker. It was the perfect storm of emotion for Hulk that allowed his power to become exponentially stronger than anybody else on the planet including Thor.

Strength isn't enough to beat Current Supes. Hulk could be as strong as you like if he can't hit Superman he's no threat.

So pretty much this is another Hulk vs Superman thread for the 1000000 time?

Originally posted by Kutulu
Except at the end of WWH # 5, where he loses it and his strength exponentially continues to rise so high that his mere existence was a threat to the planet. One step shook the entire eastern seaboard, imagine if he tried to jog, the planet would be destroyed before he got to a quarter mile.

His slightest touch at that point was greater than what most class 100's would do with a haymaker. It was the perfect storm of emotion for Hulk that allowed his power to become exponentially stronger than anybody else on the planet including Thor.

greg pak pwtf

Originally posted by Kutulu
Except at the end of WWH # 5, where he loses it and his strength exponentially continues to rise so high that his mere existence was a threat to the planet. One step shook the entire eastern seaboard, imagine if he tried to jog, the planet would be destroyed before he got to a quarter mile.

His slightest touch at that point was greater than what most class 100's would do with a haymaker. It was the perfect storm of emotion for Hulk that allowed his power to become exponentially stronger than anybody else on the planet including Thor.